Thors_Mitersaw
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SaltH2OHokie wrote:
oh. duh. haha.
SaltH2OHokie wrote:
Richmond Police Department (I assume...)
oh. duh. haha.
Richmond Police Department (I assume...)
If it appears that you are committing a crime..... you will need to provide your identity while the cop investigates to be sure you are old enough.I was thinking about this issue some more today. What if your are in possesion or consuming an age restricted item, ie tabaco or alcohol. If I'm walking down the street smoking a ciggarette, can I be made to show ID? What if I'm at party, drinking a beer, and the police show up. Again, am I required to show ID?
I found this in the Norfolk Code when doing research to prepare for Harborfest:
Link Here: http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=10121&sid=46
Sec. 29-73.1. Suspects to identify themselves.
(a)Any law enforcement officer may detain any person whom the officer encounters under circumstances creating a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime, and require the person to identify himself. Any person so detained shall identify himself by giving his full legal name, but may not be compelled to answer any other inquiry of any law enforcement officer.
(b)A person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.
(Ord. No. 41,880, § 1, 6-14-05)
And as previously established, OC is not RAS. Correct?I found this in the Norfolk Code when doing research to prepare for Harborfest:
Link Here: http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=10121&sid=46
Sec. 29-73.1. Suspects to identify themselves.
(a)Any law enforcement officer may detain any person whom the officer encounters under circumstances creating a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime, and require the person to identify himself. Any person so detained shall identify himself by giving his full legal name, but may not be compelled to answer any other inquiry of any law enforcement officer.
(b)A person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.
(Ord. No. 41,880, § 1, 6-14-05)
Yes, I agree. Problem is, how do you know what the suspicion is? It might not be related to the open carry. IfNorfolk P.D.indicates that the suspicion is due solely to the lawful open carry of a firearm, then they are wrong. If they indicate some other reason in front of the judge, then you might be found guilty in General District Court. I don't like it, but I think that it is important for those that plan to open carry at Harborfest to know what laws/tools the Norfolk P.D. has.And as previously established, OC is not RAS. Correct?I found this in the Norfolk Code when doing research to prepare for Harborfest:
Link Here: http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=10121&sid=46
Sec. 29-73.1. Suspects to identify themselves.
(a)Any law enforcement officer may detain any person whom the officer encounters under circumstances creating a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime, and require the person to identify himself. Any person so detained shall identify himself by giving his full legal name, but may not be compelled to answer any other inquiry of any law enforcement officer.
(b)A person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.
(Ord. No. 41,880, § 1, 6-14-05)
Go to any gun show in Virginia - they will have the VCDL ballcaps at the VCDL table - they are $12 each.I'd like to get a VCDL logo ballcap. Don't see any on their storepage though.
mpg9999 wrote:If it appears that you are committing a crime..... you will need to provide your identity while the cop investigates to be sure you are old enough.I was thinking about this issue some more today. What if your are in possesion or consuming an age restricted item, ie tabaco or alcohol. If I'm walking down the street smoking a ciggarette, can I be made to show ID? What if I'm at party, drinking a beer, and the police show up. Again, am I required to show ID?
You may very well have just turned 18 and are legal to smoke... but if you look younger... the officer will have RS to think you are committing a criminal offense.
In that case you do not get to walk away.
You cannot be forced to say anything but in the case of age based laws.... all you have to do is show you are old enough.
You could refuse, be arrested, and tossed in jail until you show your ID.Thenhave the case dismissed in court. Or you can prove it and be on your way.
Underage smoking in the Commonwealth is a civil, not criminal matter. Arrest for a civil matter could only happen if the offender refused to sign a summons, or told the police officer that he/she would not appear in court. To imply that a person suspected of being 17 years old could be summarily arrested for smoking tobacco in Virginia is wrong. To even suggest that police have the power to jail a person until they show ID is absurd.LEO 229 wrote:You may very well have just turned 18 and are legal to smoke... but if you look younger... the officer will have RS to think you are committing a criminal offense.
In that case you do not get to walk away.
You cannot be forced to say anything but in the case of age based laws.... all you have to do is show you are old enough.
You could refuse, be arrested, and tossed in jail until you show your ID.Thenhave the case dismissed in court. Or you can prove it and be on your way.
The next time I'm required to ID myself, I'm going to tell them I'm Danbus. That oughtta keep me out of trouble......
Trouble, or circulation?The next time I'm required to ID myself, I'm going to tell them I'm Danbus. That oughtta keep me out of trouble......:what: