marshaul
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Now I am envious that you have student access to a $100/a subscription, and Nature is worse, double.
:lol: I knew you'd say something.
My father subscribes to both, so I get them once they're read.
Now I am envious that you have student access to a $100/a subscription, and Nature is worse, double.
I too am learning alot from this discussion. I would like to pose a counterpoint to Marshall concerning the historical utility of gold and silver. They have indeed had a usefulness throughout history as decoration, jewelry.Gold most certainly because its easy to form and doesnt oxodize, retaning its luster.
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But, slavery, isn't that when someone else owns the fruits of your labor?
Is it when someone else owns your body? (if they own your body then they own your labor)
What would you do if you owned (a) slave(s) (how would you care for them)?
What is the percentage of your labors that have to be owned by someone else before it's slavery?
Do slaves have natural rights or granted (civil)"rights?"
Can slaves carry weapons (guns) or do they need the permission of their master (the state)?
Wise words.....however, are you in bondage, unable to flee state sanctioned oppression?What is a slave?
My Uncle was a spitfire pilot,WW2, shot down over France, ended up in a prison camp, escaped, was smuggled back to England and continued the fight. My father also spent some time in a German POW camp and was treated very cruely.
My father and I spent many hours around the camp fire on hunting trips, me asking questions, him passing on his many years of experiences and knowledge. He once said to me, speaking of the Australian government;
Haz, "If they ever take away your right to with draw your labour, (John Howard did this making it illegal to strike), and if they ever take away your right to own a gun, (John Howard also did this), THEY HAVE MADE YOU A SLAVE!
Wise words.....however, are you in bondage, unable to flee state sanctioned oppression?
No, I am not making the "Well, if ya don't like it move" statement. Slavery, as everyone should know it to be, is not what The Land Downunder is experiencing. When they drag you back to Australia in chains then the comparison will be confirmed.
All that you state is quite true. However, everybody knows what slavery is. Hazs' body is not owned, I hope not anyway, as is related, or postulated, in the op.Were the Israelites not slaves because they were able to escape from the Egyptians? Is it a matter of degrees? Is it a matter of how difficult it is to escape, compared to one's mental and physical abilities to do so? For instance, if I put a clothes basket over my cat, you might say I've imprisoned it, as the cat will not be able to lift the basket and be free on its way. If I put a clothes basket over my nephew, though, you might say I've inconvenienced him, because he'll be able to easily lift the basket and continue on his way (barring further intervention on my part).
I say whether it is a matter of degrees or not, when it comes to qualifying slavery, it certainly is not a matter of degrees that one's freedom has been infringed by any amount of force being used, even if it's easily overcome. So where is the threshold which qualifies the term slavery?
I guess I don't know the answer, but I don't think that being able to escape disqualifies the use of the term slavery.
Wise words.....however, are you in bondage, unable to flee state sanctioned oppression?
No, I am not making the "Well, if ya don't like it move" statement. Slavery, as everyone should know it to be, is not what The Land Downunder is experiencing. When they drag you back to Australia in chains then the comparison will be confirmed.
My grandfather and father as a boy worked in the mines 60 hours plus per week for starvation wages. They went on strike, the mine owners locked them out, put in scab labour, sent in the coppers to disrupt a union gathering and Norman Brown, a married man with children was shot and killed by police.
That's what happens to unarmed people willing to stand up to evil governments and employers.
Its not as bad as this these days but I was told if I do not hand in my Remington express 12g pump I will be sent to prison for ten years.
I, as our mines union rep, years ago, I had words with our mine manager who was demanding short cuts be taken to increase production, and said, "What your asking the men to do is extremely dangerous. If some decide out of fear of loosing their job do it, I can assure you, I wont be doing this!"
His reply was, (remembering at that time strikes were outlawed), If you don't like it here and wont do as your ordered to do by the mine manager, you WILL, under the mine managers rules. BE DISMISSED!" Only he used more colour full words. If that's not modern day slavery, what is?
In this country those who own the government are trying to take away our guns.
You can't leave this country without paying huge fees/fines.
You're labor is being taxed as though you don't own it in the first place and are only laboring with, taxed, permission.
In short you don't own the fruits of your labor, your master is allowing you to keep some of it and is talking about letting you keep even less to pay for those slaves who are no longer useful on the self controlled plantation. You can do any job you want on this plantation so long as the supervisor of that area okays and they get verification that you are a slave that we have okay-ed to work there.
All that you state is quite true. However, everybody knows what slavery is. Hazs' body is not owned, I hope not anyway, as is related, or postulated, in the op.
Now, some may argue that their bodies are owned, but those discussions are nothing but a distraction. Everybody knows what slavery is. Compelled servitude is a different subject all together.
We all have a choice, even when the choices seem limited.
I disagree with you. Let me make my counterpoint this way.
If slavery is defined by ones ability to leave, then one was never a slave if one escapes. By escaping you show that you had a choice and it was just a mater of time that you exercised that choice. By your definition there has never been a slave escape.
It isn't quite so simple if you differentiate "leaving" from "escaping", or rather being free to leave from being forced to escape.
Somewhat busy today so I don't have time to make the reply I'd like to, but for now...
True, but I would respond in turn that the utility of gold and silver as jewelry is a form of essentially artistic expression, and with all such things, one man's beautiful golden jewelry is another man's gaudy excess. If anything I think this nicely underlines the fundamental subjectivity of value.
Somewhat busy today so I don't have time to make the reply I'd like to, but for now...
True, but I would respond in turn that the utility of gold and silver as jewelry is a form of essentially artistic expression, and with all such things, one man's beautiful golden jewelry is another man's gaudy excess. If anything I think this nicely underlines the fundamental subjectivity of value.
My response... take 2
Your assertion that gold and silver had no historical utility was your basis for dismissing much of Freedom1man's argument. Now that you've stipulated otherwise how do you respond?