Anyone who carries a 1911 may want to look into these.Winchester has developed a 230 Grain JHP just for the 1911s. I have ran over 150 rounds without issue using the following. Colt 1911 Government Model series 80 with Wilson combat 7 round mags. Do your own testing, but these have been the most reliable JHP for me so far, still testing. Recoil is not bad and the rounds are not +P. Muzzle Velocity: 880 fps Muzzle Energy: 395 ft. lbs. 39.00 bucks for 50 rounds

