WalkingWolf
Regular Member
How many on our side really make this claim of nobody with a permit ever ever breaking the law?
I hear it as a straw man from opponents of RKBA quite often. Notably, I'm reading it hear from one who seems to have trouble mentioning CC on this board without some attempt to connect it to criminal conduct.
In Utah, the rate of revoking permits to carry has held steady at about 2 per 1000 (0.2%) annually. This is on par (probably a bit better but exact numbers are hard to get) with the rate at which sworn police officers lose their certification, that teachers lose their licenses, or that doctors lose their licenses. It is well below the rate of criminal conduct for the general public.
Assuming nobody saw the gun, assuming the off limits area wasn't using metal detectors, etc, etc, etc.
This assumes that someone actual notices the OCd firearm AND knows the laws well enough to know what is or isn't off limits.
We all know that a report of "Well I OC in x location all the time and have never been stopped/arrested/kicked-out" is not an authoritative or reliable method of determining what either law or private policy is. I can speed every day on the way to work for years before finally getting a ticket.
Frankly, if you have that many off limits locations in your State, the problem is lack of respect for RKBA, not the manner in which some choose to carry. Legally off limits locations should be very rare, should include metal detectors to be really secure rather than relying on the honor system, and should be well marked.
And yes, gun owners should obey the law regardless.
But, for the love of RKBA, stop trying so danged hard to connect lawful CC or CCC with criminal conduct. There is nothing inherently wrong with carrying a gun in a discrete manner. It is a personal, honorable choice that is entirely legal in many jurisdictions. It should be respected as such, rather than associated with criminal behavior.
Fifteen to 20 years ago, those opposed to RKBA argued that Utahns who wanted to carry a gun in public should OC so everyone would know who to avoid, to shun. That failed to defeat the liberalization of our concealed carry laws. Today, those same opponents of RKBA argue that guns should have to be kept concealed lest people become alarmed. It has become clear that OCers are not deterred by the rare social pressure that gun grabbers can bring. So now it is just back to whatever they can do to make lawful possession of a firearm less convenient, less common. It pains me to see self-proclaimed proponents of RKBA attacking either OC or CC/CCC as somehow untoward. You properly express great disgust against those who attack OC. Why do you join them in their methods by attacking CC/CCC by so often connecting it to criminal conduct?
Charles
Every school is a gun free zone for those without a permit, with a permit it is illegal to carry into a school, a court house, certain state government buildings, the post office. The fact is a well concealed firearm is not the same, or even close, as a openly carried firearm. A person with a concealed handgun looks just like a unarmed person, who can go in those places without hassle, or chance of.
As I already stated I know personally people who violated, and bragged about violating the law with permits. I know for a fact that every segment of society commits crimes, certain acts make committing crimes easier undetected. You cannot like facts, but you cannot change them. I am not attacking, get it through your thick skin, I am stating FACT!
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