Festus_Hagen
Regular Member
if it was up to me oh wait it is i choose Alive and Stupid verses Unarmed and Dead. A right not exercised is a right lost
How will you feel if your "right is lost" in your city ?
What will you do ?
if it was up to me oh wait it is i choose Alive and Stupid verses Unarmed and Dead. A right not exercised is a right lost
My point is lost on some of our fellow citizens. With overwhelming majorities in both the house and senate the timidness of our elected 'leaders' is beyond the pale. The introduction of bill(s) is not the same as fully supporting the bills submitted even by those who submit the bills.Show me a legislator that is not timid when it comes to gun rights in Missouri specificly OC rights I will tell you their names without ever seeing their faces... not that I am so slick, shoot I am old, there are just so very very few, one does not need even one full hand to count them on sir, in fact, one might be accused of being a libtard if they were to demonstrate it as they would be giving the universal "peace" sign of the hippies from the 60's and 70's.
So what you are saying that your opinion is the only one that counts, even though that opinion follows the same lines as anti gun liberals. I do participate in other discussion groups, that is why I pointed out that your opinions are the opinions of anti gun liberals.
No, what you pointed out is that you simply have no clue what my opinion is sir, none what so ever and you simply seek to argue.
My opinion is quite simple, the right to arms, for one and all, no exclusions, no restrictions other than while in custody or during court proceedings, at no other time what so ever should anyone ever be denied the right to arms and no methodolgy of baring those arms should ever be regulated by anyone other than the person making that choice for themselves, the end.
I pointed out that opinions on MANY firearms forums clearly indicate that a vast majority of gun owners who participate in internet forums consider the man legally carring a firearm openly into a place similar to a recent criminal activity location is a VERY BAD IDEA. My own opinion on that activity has nothing to do with legality and every thing to do with public opinion as this has clearly been defined as the major excuse for the additional taking of rights here in Missouri as OC has become restricted in several municipalities and indeed "public opinion" was the cry of those in power as they dropped the gavel and pushed forward with these new laws.
Working with those in power at the state level to attempt to try and remove the power from municipalities to violate our rights was a major effort last year by a very few people and several gun owners groups offered NO ASSISTANCE what so ever, some pledged to actually RESIST the effort and the largest gun owners group the NRA absolutely derailed and gutted an actual step forward that made it through committee and had great potential to get at least a partial expemtion for those with a CCW license, but thanks to the NRA, they have actually potentialy made something that was never a problem before a real problem now.
Since a summary of NC laws clearly indicate that your premeption still allows for restriction of OC in VERY similar ways, I would suggest you start replacing your own legislators and fix your own yard before you worry too much about Missouri, we have enough cluless legislators, we do not need clueless advocates running off at the mouth about our yard while their grass needs to be mowed.
Any more questions?
We do try to fix things in our own backyard, but most of us here do not go around calling others stupid for exercising our rights. We have very little problems here with the public and open carrying. You want to know why? Because we do open carry and we stand up to the politicians instead of harassing LAC. We are actively fighting with those politicians to get those restrictions removed. Most of us do not suck up to timid politicians. States like Il, and Mass, have unconstitutional laws for a reason, ultimately it is their fault. If you have laws in your state that are unconstitutional it is the will of the people. It is NOT the fault of one law abiding citizen. That is foolish and dumb in any state.
I suggest you check out the NC forums, specifically the experience reports. You will find that they are overwhelmingly positive. Think about it.
Did you read all of LMTD's post?
Just one question, if you handle your reps like you said you do, how come you don't have preemptive OC?
It sounds like you have a lot of talk, but may not know what the Sam Hill is actually going on. Just my humble observation/opinion.
Maybe you need to check~we do have preemptive OC. What we also have are some restrictions, like alcohol in a restaurant, and also paid venues. But on the whole we have very little problems with the public, and very few bad encounters with law enforcement and the public. OC is very normal here. What I have noticed from these boards is that the states where there is problems there also is back biting. Maybe it is just a coincidence.
But the battles that have been won on here and off has come from people with courage and determination to exercise their rights. They are not stupid, they are to be commended.
So why do you have restrictions on preemptive OC, that sounds unconstitutional; why haven't you guys fixed that. If you guys are so great at TELLING legislators what to do, why is their restrictions? Just asking.
Do you think calling LAC in NC stupid would fix it?
Depends on how stupid they really were. It very well could!
Again check our forums, just is not a problem here. Guess maybe we are just smarter than other states.
AND PEOPLE HERE WONDER WHY WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH OC IN MISSOURI?
Right after the shooting in CO, some one does this:
http://www.ky3.com/news/ky3-man-wea...-ozark-movie-theater-20120721,0,6746502.story
OK, it is their right, but a little common sense people!
THIS IS "STUPID" IN A STATE WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO GET RIGHTS BACK, JUST PLAIN STUPID WITH A CAPITAL "S" AS IN STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!!
And there are people here who want our little group of 2A/OC advocates to post our "plans" on this open forum?
Here is a plan, behave yourselves and don't be "STUPID"!
Every few months some body pulls this garabage and it hits he media.... This, right after the disaster in CO is beyond anything reasonable!!!!
If you want to do something positive for the OC movement is Misosuri, sit down at your kitchen table and write a check to the two peoples' campaigns who introduced bills for OC preemption in Missouri last session!
Doesn't matter how much, both of these fine people get many small contributions, they are not big time money people, they are not "status quo" politicians.
They are both so pro-2A you can smell the solvent when you stand next to them!
This is what will make OC rights happen!
Enclose a "NOTE", thank you for your support of open carry rights in Missouri.
You can tell them mspgunner sent you, and "NO" I do not get a kick back, but they know who I am. This wil lhelp the cause.
Being stupid does NOT!
House member:
Citizens to Elect Paul Curtman
PO Box 355
Pacific, MO. 63069
Senate:
State Senator Brian Nieves
PO Box 1026
Washington, MO. 63090
Like Nike says "Just do it".
Again check our forums, just is not a problem here. Guess maybe we are just smarter than other states.
Yep! I want one of those shirts! Who's got em'
Maybe you need to check~we do have preemptive OC.
look , there are only three states in the Union that has close to perfection in gun laws. we should all be working toward those goals. there maybe some gun laws in MO, i don't know i have not done a comparison
but the point is this, don't hide it under a basket. Open Carry will get people used to it so they will not run away screaming. one of the reasons open carry is OK in NC is that we do it
join your local grass roots org. to push for your rights. get active, get involved. go to meet and greets.
just do something
look , there are only three states in the Union that has close to perfection in gun laws. we should all be working toward those goals. there maybe some gun laws in MO, i don't know i have not done a comparison
but the point is this, don't hide it under a basket. Open Carry will get people used to it so they will not run away screaming. one of the reasons open carry is OK in NC is that we do it
join your local grass roots org. to push for your rights. get active, get involved. go to meet and greets.
just do something
BINGO!
IMO if you want the numpty or timid politicians to know you are serious, stop cowering and show them. Ya know like your state slogan says "Show Me", well dammit one of your own did that.
It has been done over and over. Sometimes resulting in bans of OC in municipalities . Guess what ? They showed US by banning OC ! THAT is what happens in Mo. when you OC at a bad time such as this we speak of .BINGO!
IMO if you want the numpty or timid politicians to know you are serious, stop cowering and show them. Ya know like your state slogan says "Show Me", well dammit one of your own did that.