Quick question, I just went through a state patrol checkpoint that was checking everyone's Id and insurance. Do I have to give it to them with no RAS.
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The lower-case "id" in the thread title had me wondering whether police were going too far: "Now, sir. I'm not interested in checking your ego; I just need you to answer a few questions about your id."
Of course, the proper pro-liberty response to such a question would be: "I wouldn't answer any questions without my therapist."
Sorry, I just got done talking to the trooper and was going to be heading back that way in about 10 minutes. Time to get a reply was quick, I so badly wanted to stand my ground but needed someone else's input. I politely told her that I didn't have time to fight with her on the matter, but she had no right to demand my ID without RAS or a traffic violation, which she replied with "She does have the right"
Well, according to the Supreme Court it's the 'untold carnage on our highways caused by inebriated drivers. And although we realize that it is a violation of the Fourth Amendment, we're gonna allow it because it's only a teensie-weensie one and everyone knows 'the end justifies the means'.'
Of course, if DUI went completely away tomorrow, the shift would just be to the new cause of 'untold carnage' once implemented such things seldom go away. The last time I can remember a bad idea being rescinded was back in December of 1933.
BTW, they're not checking ID, they are checking for a valid license to perform an action, i.e. drive a motorized vehicle on state highways.
Guns, lots of guns...you don't want to get shot for not complying do you.Absent RAS or PC, what gives them the justification for stopping just to check ID?
BTW, they're not checking ID, they are checking for a valid license to perform an action, i.e. drive a motorized vehicle on state highways.
True, I inferred that he meant the police were checking the ID of every driver that came through the checkpoint. Asking each occupant of a vehicle to present ID would be extremely hard to justify as a means of preventing 'the carnage drunken drivers cause on our highways'.I guess that would depend on whether the cop demanded, "I wanna see sum ID. From everybody in the car." Or, "Sir, I need to see your license and registration."
It occurs to me the OPer didn't really say.