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NavyLT wrote:
swillden wrote:
NavyLT wrote:
The plain sight rule for the serial number of the gun is simply ludicrous. You take a gun out of my holster for your safety and try to tell me that the mere act of removing the gun from my holster causes the serial number to come into plain view and you can obtain it and call it in without having to actually look for it.
Would it also be ludicrous for the officer to arrest you for a baggie of weed that fell out of your holster when the officer removed the firearm?
You have repeatedly ignored this parallel scenario. Please address it. Would it be different? If so, why?
That's easy. The baggie of weed the fell out of the holster is illegal to possess. The officer must take no additional actions to prove that the possession of the substance was illegal. It is illegal on face value. The officer must take ADDITIONAL and UNWARRANTED action, an ADDITIONAL SEARCH in order to check that the gun is a stolen item. AND - let's go one step further... EVEN IF the firearm is stolen, and I possess it, I still have not broken any laws! It is not illegal to possess a stolen firearm! It is only illegal to knowingly receive a firearm that is known or reasonably believed to be stolen! So the officer STILL, even if the gun comes back stolen, has not proven a crime has been committed!
There is NO LEGITIMATE reason to run the serial number of a gun lawfully possessed by a citizen not charged with a crime related to that gun.
It's only illegal if you don't have a dope head prescription. Can he force you
to show it without probable cause the weed isn't a medically authorized prescription?
Besides everyone knows you don't store expensive weed in your holster where
a ND would blow your stash away, or worse you pull it to stop a mugger,
and now have to take your eyes off of him to pick up your joints.:lol:
So it is up to you to devise a way to hide your serial numbers, or tape him
breaking the law. Crooks are not required to assist you in capturing them.
You do not answer the question about weapons in a traffic stop, you ask if he
thinks a weapon was driving the car or holding you hostage. Once you both agree
that you were in control of vehicle when it was pulled over, you can move on to
what violation he claims you made. Most have a bad attitude when confronted
with the truth, you just have to deal with it.
Can't find a pistol without the numbers on the port, get a revolver.
No one here has ever said exercising your rights is easy, and can be quit dangerous.
If they would just admit they make databases, I would be more than helpful
and consider it a challenge to get a gun listed on all 57 states.
The only way you will keep an OC piece out of the system is to have it in every
system. :banghead: Just think about it, if you are pulled over for a cracked tail light,
and your gun is registered in chicago 3 hours ago, but you are 285 miles south of
there, it would be incriminating you if they run the numbers.
So the only way you can stop them from breaking the law is for you to break the law.
Simple solution is to have a throw away piece for them to run. Since being pulled
over has nothing to do with breaking a law, you don't have the option of just obeying
the law.
Carry something they have never ran across. Now for officer safety they can't touch
it, and must leave it in the holster. This is why I want a tasered holster, now for OS
they must not touch it ever. Fail safes, and activation is a real mother, can't have a
holster zap you if you are drawing to save your life. But technology is always
improving, so it will happen someday. Shame I can't trust these embedded
chips to not have back doors, and broadcast to the government, implant a chip
keyed to your holster and only your hand can draw it would solve everything
except self defense while being tasered. That has gotta make EM problems.
