ICBM
Member
So, I was reading an article from 2010 which reports how the "IMPD said that in the current atmosphere, police need to check permits and a gun carrier's intentions."
Article
So I checked the state law on when you are required to provide ID...
"IC 34-28-5-3.5
Refusal to identify self
Sec. 3.5. A person who knowingly or intentionally refuses to provide either the person's:
(1) name, address, and date of birth; or
(2) driver's license, if in the person's possession;
to a law enforcement officer who has stopped the person for an infraction or ordinance violation commits a Class C misdemeanor."
From what I understand, the police want to check peoples permits because its scaring the villagers. But you don't have to show them your permit or ID unless they detain you for "an infraction or ordinance violation."
I also found a precedent of courts upholding our rights from arbitrary detention while OCing, because its the same if they stop you in a car and ask to see your DL just to see if you can legally drive.
UNITED STATES v. BLACK
So my question is, what is the most polite and quick response to an officer wanting to see your info without reasonable suspicion? Does anyone have any stories of police detaining them unjustifiably while OCing?
Additionally, where would OCing be unlawful? I know its courthouses, k-12 schools, and during the annual state fair... but don't know much else. I recently learned guns on property owned by the USPS is illegal under federal law, this includes the parking lot if it is not shared with another business, not just inside the building.
Article
So I checked the state law on when you are required to provide ID...
"IC 34-28-5-3.5
Refusal to identify self
Sec. 3.5. A person who knowingly or intentionally refuses to provide either the person's:
(1) name, address, and date of birth; or
(2) driver's license, if in the person's possession;
to a law enforcement officer who has stopped the person for an infraction or ordinance violation commits a Class C misdemeanor."
From what I understand, the police want to check peoples permits because its scaring the villagers. But you don't have to show them your permit or ID unless they detain you for "an infraction or ordinance violation."
I also found a precedent of courts upholding our rights from arbitrary detention while OCing, because its the same if they stop you in a car and ask to see your DL just to see if you can legally drive.
UNITED STATES v. BLACK
So my question is, what is the most polite and quick response to an officer wanting to see your info without reasonable suspicion? Does anyone have any stories of police detaining them unjustifiably while OCing?
Additionally, where would OCing be unlawful? I know its courthouses, k-12 schools, and during the annual state fair... but don't know much else. I recently learned guns on property owned by the USPS is illegal under federal law, this includes the parking lot if it is not shared with another business, not just inside the building.