gutshot II
Regular Member
Over the years, I must have been asked a dozen times, "Can a County Extension Office ban guns?" I aways replied something like, "Ah, I don't know. Aren't they part of the University of Ky. and if they are,they probably can." I never thought much about it and never investigated. I had other things to do. A few days ago I was able to get this picture from the Bath Co. Extension Office.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4p0eiti2ycm2xg8/Screenshot%202018-10-09%20at%2001.56.42.png?dl=0
I started looking around and found KRS 164.605 thru 164.675, where it says:
There is hereby authorized for each county an extension district whose boundaries shall
be coexistent with the county boundaries. Such districts may be created by the fiscal court
of the county. Each extension district shall constitute a governmental subdivision of the
Commonwealth and a public body corporate.
Did you see that?
Such districts may be created by the fiscal court of the county.
KRS 164.655 says:
The extension board of each extension district shall have the following powers and
duties:
(4) With the advice of the extension council, to make and adopt such rules and
regulations not inconsistent with the law as it may deem necessary for its own
government in the transaction of the business of the extension district;
of the county.
Hell these things are nothing more that "Special Districts". On Monday I got my 2018 property tax bill from the county, and sure enough, in the list of all the taxes for the library, the landfill, the schools, the health dept etc. was "Extension Office". All of this means that these are 120 public offices governed by 120 public boards and they all are subject to KRS 65.870 and can't have any rules, policies or regulations about guns. What about UK you ask. , KRS 164.610 defines the "Purpose" of the Extension Offices like this:
In enacting KRS 164.605 to 164.675, it is the intention of the General Assembly to
provide for aid in disseminating among the people of Kentucky useful and practical
information on subjects relating to agriculture, home economics, and rural and
community life and to encourage the application of the same in the several counties of the
Commonwealth through extension work to be carried on in cooperation with the
University of Kentucky College of Agriculture and Home Economics, and the United
States Department of Agriculture as provided in the Act of Congress May 8, 1914, as
amended by Public Law 83 of the 83rd Congress.
So you see, the Extension service only "cooperates" with UK.
I have come to understand that there is a "Memorandum of Understanding" between each separate county extension office and UK that the offices will enforce the University's gun ban on the extension premises. Before 2013 that might have been OK because the old 65.870 didn't apply to these offices, but when KRS 65.870 was passed that became illegal. The university can't order the county extension offices to violate the law; and if they did order it, the offices cannot legally comply with that order.
The chairman of the Bath Co. Board of Extension is very pro-gun. He will be attending a meeting of the 20 Regional Board Chairmen of the offices in Region #1, later this month and has told me he will be bringing this up. This Region includes Bath, Boyd, Bracken, Carter, Elliott, Fleming, Floyd, Greenup, Johnson, Lawrence, Lewis, Magoffin, Martin, Mason, Menifee, Montgomery, Morgan, Pike, Robertson and Rowan Counties. He intends to bring this up during this meeting and letting these other 19 Board Chairmen know that they can no longer ban guns. That still leaves 100 that need to be checked and possibly educated.I can use some help. I can contact the Boards, if I knew which oners actually ban guns. The Office in my home county has never had a gun ban that I know about. The Office in Jefferson Co. is located in a Metro building in Middletown so is subject to the Metro ordinance banning "Concealed Weapons".
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4p0eiti2ycm2xg8/Screenshot%202018-10-09%20at%2001.56.42.png?dl=0
I started looking around and found KRS 164.605 thru 164.675, where it says:
There is hereby authorized for each county an extension district whose boundaries shall
be coexistent with the county boundaries. Such districts may be created by the fiscal court
of the county. Each extension district shall constitute a governmental subdivision of the
Commonwealth and a public body corporate.
Did you see that?
Such districts may be created by the fiscal court of the county.
KRS 164.655 says:
The extension board of each extension district shall have the following powers and
duties:
(4) With the advice of the extension council, to make and adopt such rules and
regulations not inconsistent with the law as it may deem necessary for its own
government in the transaction of the business of the extension district;
of the county.
Hell these things are nothing more that "Special Districts". On Monday I got my 2018 property tax bill from the county, and sure enough, in the list of all the taxes for the library, the landfill, the schools, the health dept etc. was "Extension Office". All of this means that these are 120 public offices governed by 120 public boards and they all are subject to KRS 65.870 and can't have any rules, policies or regulations about guns. What about UK you ask. , KRS 164.610 defines the "Purpose" of the Extension Offices like this:
In enacting KRS 164.605 to 164.675, it is the intention of the General Assembly to
provide for aid in disseminating among the people of Kentucky useful and practical
information on subjects relating to agriculture, home economics, and rural and
community life and to encourage the application of the same in the several counties of the
Commonwealth through extension work to be carried on in cooperation with the
University of Kentucky College of Agriculture and Home Economics, and the United
States Department of Agriculture as provided in the Act of Congress May 8, 1914, as
amended by Public Law 83 of the 83rd Congress.
So you see, the Extension service only "cooperates" with UK.
I have come to understand that there is a "Memorandum of Understanding" between each separate county extension office and UK that the offices will enforce the University's gun ban on the extension premises. Before 2013 that might have been OK because the old 65.870 didn't apply to these offices, but when KRS 65.870 was passed that became illegal. The university can't order the county extension offices to violate the law; and if they did order it, the offices cannot legally comply with that order.
The chairman of the Bath Co. Board of Extension is very pro-gun. He will be attending a meeting of the 20 Regional Board Chairmen of the offices in Region #1, later this month and has told me he will be bringing this up. This Region includes Bath, Boyd, Bracken, Carter, Elliott, Fleming, Floyd, Greenup, Johnson, Lawrence, Lewis, Magoffin, Martin, Mason, Menifee, Montgomery, Morgan, Pike, Robertson and Rowan Counties. He intends to bring this up during this meeting and letting these other 19 Board Chairmen know that they can no longer ban guns. That still leaves 100 that need to be checked and possibly educated.I can use some help. I can contact the Boards, if I knew which oners actually ban guns. The Office in my home county has never had a gun ban that I know about. The Office in Jefferson Co. is located in a Metro building in Middletown so is subject to the Metro ordinance banning "Concealed Weapons".