Olmos, TX police injure and arrest open carrier - President of Open Carry Texas

[Grapeshot]

Given such astute contributions, perhaps you could take it to PM, rather than continuing to stink up this particular thread?

Perhaps it would benefit you to speak/post in a kinder, more civil manner.

 

[Fallschirjmäger]

Given such astute contributions, perhaps you could take it to PM, rather than continuing to stink up this particular thread?

I apologize, Sir. It'll never happen again, Sir, I swear ta Gawd. Please forgive me, ya Worshipfulness.

It's about time we had someone willing to rein in all the shenanigans and good-natured ribbing that occasionally happens here between people that have been here since you were still in short pants.

I propose TXOC16 for our next Hallway Monitor, Do I have a second?

 

[color of law]

I apologize, Sir. It'll never happen again, Sir, I swear ta Gawd. Please forgive me, ya Worshipfulness.

It's about time we had someone willing to rein in all the shenanigans and good-natured ribbing that occasionally happens here between people that have been here since you were still in short pants.

I propose TXOC16 for our next Hallway Monitor, Do I have a second?

Just because you have been on this forum about one month longer than I.........I do on an occasion wear short pants, with suspenders no less.
But, I do not wear socks with sandals.

 

[solus]

Just because you have been on this forum about one month longer than I.........I do on an occasion wear short pants, with suspenders no less.
But, I do not wear socks with sandals.

Please, CoL we do not the visual of you getting amorous with...

 

[TXOC16]

I apologize, Sir. It'll never happen again, Sir, I swear ta Gawd. Please forgive me, ya Worshipfulness.

It's about time we had someone willing to rein in all the shenanigans and good-natured ribbing that occasionally happens here between people that have been here since you were still in short pants.

I propose TXOC16 for our next Hallway Monitor, Do I have a second?

So easily triggered, so free with the ad hominems, so continually off-topic, so very predictable.

 

[TXOC16]

Perhaps it would benefit you to speak/post in a kinder, more civil manner.

That was, most definitely, my "kinder, more civil" manner. What about my comment was otherwise?

 

[Grapeshot]

That was, most definitely, my "kinder, more civil" manner. What about my comment was otherwise?

So sorry to hear that, but you do chose your own path.

 

[OC Freedom]

Latest information on the illegal arrest in Olmos, Texas. Some members here on Opencarry bashed OCT and implied they were in the wrong (refer to page one). More info can be found with the full release of the incidents from youtube's News Now Houston.

[video=youtube;A41TALWXJu4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A41TALWXJu4[/video]

 

[Fallschirjmäger]

So sorry to hear that, but you do chose your own path.

I'm hoping he's what you might call an atypical Texan... if not then I can better understand why CJ got into the mess he did.

 

[TXOC16]

I'm hoping he's what you might call an atypical Texan... if not then I can better understand why CJ got into the mess he did.

Your feeble and offhanded attempt to impugn C.J.'s character is both despicable and deplorable, but not particularly surprising. I proudly wear as a badge of honor any and all comparisons to him, a brave and courageous patriot in every sense of the words.

 

[HP995]

Some members here on Opencarry bashed OCT and implied they were in the wrong (refer to page one).

Check the wording, yours and theirs - I'd say "doing it wrong" is what they were implying. I'm not taking sides, just encouraging accuracy.

Nor should it be a matter of taking sides. We have some highly argumentative people and that trait may be useful sometimes in furthering the cause on the street but I think it just wastes time when directed at friendlies on the forum. It makes me wonder if people just want an outlet to argue, seems pointless at times. And I'm aiming that at all parties, naysayers and Texans alike. If either side doesn't consider the other friendlies, I think it's a shame and a bad sign for the future.

To retain our rights long-term, people and groups are going to have to get along and work together. We have a unified national liberal front against us. We need some strength in numbers. Lose the nation and you lose your state. Lose 2A and you lose OC. You have to win the war, not just the battle.

Nothing wrong with questioning tactics, or defending them, both of those are good as long as we don't get carried away and forget what we're doing. It looks like the tactics were sufficient. I hate that kind of corruption, so I'm glad it was successful.

 

[color of law]

I'm hoping he's what you might call an atypical Texan... if not then I can better understand why CJ got into the mess he did.

Lets see, based on this long thread what is meant by this statement. Generally, some of the criticism of the actions taken by OCT looked outside the norm; especially to those with lots of experience in tackling these problems. Remember, OCT was not forthcoming with details.

With that said, Fallschirmjäger's observation is reasonable. "Atypical" means not typical. In other words, Texans don't follow the norm. And, if not the norm then from Fallschirmjäger's observation CJ's actions would end in a not so pleasant way, as it did. A fair observation.

Apparently, there is one on this forum that believes that only his opinion counts and if you don't agree with him you are scum. I think that person need a time out.

 

[solus]

Check the wording, yours and theirs - I'd say "doing it wrong" is what they were implying. I'm not taking sides, just encouraging accuracy.

Nor should it be a matter of taking sides. We have some highly argumentative people and that trait may be useful sometimes in furthering the cause on the street but I think it just wastes time when directed at friendlies on the forum. It makes me wonder if people just want an outlet to argue, seems pointless at times. And I'm aiming that at all parties, naysayers and Texans alike. If either side doesn't consider the other friendlies, I think it's a shame and a bad sign for the future.

To retain our rights long-term, people and groups are going to have to get along and work together. We have a unified national liberal front against us. We need some strength in numbers. Lose the nation and you lose your state. Lose 2A and you lose OC. You have to win the war, not just the battle.

Nothing wrong with questioning tactics, or defending them, both of those are good as long as we don't get carried away and forget what we're doing. It looks like the tactics were sufficient. I hate that kind of corruption, so I'm glad it was successful.

So HP, et al., you mention retain our rights, could you articulate which specific rights you are discussing, oh please use specific rights not the olde, tired, our ‘2A’ rights. Also could you provide insight as to if the right is federal or state specific.

Could you articulate who actually comprises the ‘national liberal front’ So I might send them an email requesting they stop taking away ‘our rights’. Oh again, assure you state if the name is national or specific State level leader.

One other point who nationally is leading the charge against your ‘national liberal front’ or provide the regional leaders, or perhaps the state leaders, I mean take Texas for example, there are several entities who claim their faction is in charge; or Utah, Charles indicated he is the guiding force, or KY, oh, ya...GRNC’s Paul claims the crown in NC but he is only advocating for ‘sane, sober, law-abiding’ citizens.

So who is leading the charge so we can rally behind him or HER?

Oh finally HP, how do you equate ‘corruption’ to your earlier comments regarding our national loss of citizen’s 2A rights?

I would like to point out to some the term ‘highly argumentative’ really means applying critical thinking skills along with a health dose of cynicism. [I know tomato pronunciation concept]

OCT is very fortunate the TX Community’s QI LEs did not feel threatened and respond in force against the OCT members.

 

[OC for ME]

Have the Olmos cops intimated that they were baited into violating the law and citizen rights?

 

[HP995]

So HP, et al., you mention retain our rights, could you articulate which specific rights you are discussing

Hi Solus. Being able to do something and believing there is a need are two different things. Nothing personal against you, no slur intended, I just want to avoid wasting time and assume that most people here should understand certain things without spelling it out. It's like a guy dancing around waving and shouting, look at me, answer me, I'm your problem! Nope, you're not. I'm focused on the real conflict. Time is valuable and words have meaning. I think we know what forum this is and what rights we have as Americans.

So who is leading the charge so we can rally behind him or HER?

Does cooperation require a leader? I'm okay with people having one or not. For me, a cause is not a person. If you need one, get one, and I won't blame you for doing so. I don't have that need myself.

Could you articulate who actually comprises the ‘national liberal front’ So I might send them an email requesting they stop taking away ‘our rights’

Some questions are better than others. This one equates political cooperation between groups with one or more handy email address at the top. Perhaps implying a neat little merged office? That's not how it works - see how the Left organizes and cooperates across many groups. I could name some, but certainly not all. Sometimes very odd partners working together on an issue. That's the one and only thing I wish we could learn from them, to unite and cooperate for a cause! It doesn't have to be infighting, bickering, or just plain noise (rather than signal) all the time.

 

[cocked&locked]

Memory is the second thing to go. Do you remember the first?

Your ********?
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--Moderator comment--

Totally unacceptable reply. Children, mothers, pastors, politicians, and the media all read these threads.

My comment was based on a long standing joke. No one could remember prior to memory loss.

Go and sin no more.

 

[solus]

Hi Solus. Being able to do something and believing there is a need are two different things. Nothing personal against you, no slur intended, I just want to avoid wasting time and assume that most people here should understand certain things without spelling it out. It's like a guy dancing around waving and shouting, look at me, answer me, I'm your problem! Nope, you're not. I'm focused on the real conflict. Time is valuable and words have meaning. I think we know what forum this is and what rights we have as Americans.

Does cooperation require a leader? I'm okay with people having one or not. For me, a cause is not a person. If you need one, get one, and I won't blame you for doing so. I don't have that need myself.

Some questions are better than others. This one equates political cooperation between groups with one or more handy email address at the top. Perhaps implying a neat little merged office? That's not how it works - see how the Left organizes and cooperates across many groups. I could name some, but certainly not all. Sometimes very odd partners working together on an issue. That's the one and only thing I wish we could learn from them, to unite and cooperate for a cause! It doesn't have to be infighting, bickering, or just plain noise (rather than signal) all the time.

HP, please, much to some individuals misguided perception, unless an individual engages in playground taunts or personal insults, I am all for discussion of opposing dialogues.

That stated, I am afraid my analogy comments might have been misconstrued.

I am/was absolutely serious about:
1. What rights, e.g. WA’s & OR’s citizen initiatives? MA’s? NH’s? FL’s? Oh right TX’s? There are too many spread across this nation which have citizen’s knickers in an uproar.

2. So really who is leading this attack against this nation’s firearm owners in WA/OR/MA/NH/FL/TX, etc.

3. While you state you could name some leaders but are they the proper one for say WA/OR or FL or TX, etc. Much to the consternation of some, I personally feel TX’s C.J is a loose cannon and his last encounter could have very easily ended with he and his group being martyrs.

Finally HP, the premise that the NRA’s ILA is our superhero to challenge is not viable nor should the organization be considered the omnibudsperson to engage this country’s firearm issues in say WA/OR or TX or FL.

Bottom line crusaders in their individual states are all running around pointing fingers both ways, hollering loudly about the injustice of it all, wringing their hands mumbling under their breath saying ‘oh what shall we do, whatever shall we do, and yet not one has stated:

1. Thanks everyone from the state’s group for meeting, now after discussion this is our first priority. 1a. Here is how we coordinate our effort with the other state groups. 1b. Here is how we will move from here. 1c. Here is where we evaluate our success/failure. 1d. Here is how we regroup and move forward.

2. Here is our second...

 

[HP995]

What rights, e.g. WA’s & OR’s citizen initiatives? MA’s? NH’s? FL’s? Oh right TX’s?

I'm truly as concerned about all states. I don't think any one state can hold out on its own if the rest of the nation goes full Hogg. Due to the media, gun control is usually a national push even though (for now) states get very different outcomes.

I see our Constitutional rights as connected - hard to have one without the other. Likewise note current efforts to remove not one but several, especially: limiting free speech (by big tech + academia + progressive groups), gun control (media + academia + progressive groups + some LE), and getting around due process (government + progressive groups + unfortunate maneuver by Trump).

who is leading this attack against this nation’s firearm owners

Big complex group, loose cooperation, not a tidy structure with one boss. As I say, I can name some, not all. DNC, progressives, socialists, Bloomberg, Soros, academia, media - typical gun control crowd. Quite a few minorities - different perspectives on freedom and government, plus DNC pressure. Some LE and bureaucrats - motivated by power, corruption, control.

the premise that the NRA’s ILA is our superhero

Is that a premise?

Here is how we coordinate our effort with the other state groups. 1b. Here is how we will move from here. 1c. Here is where we evaluate our success/failure. 1d. Here is how we regroup and move forward.

I agree that would be very useful. I like it. But I don't see this necessarily as a single push by a single group or a single leadership over all groups. Whatever works, whatever is possible.

Much to the consternation of some, I personally feel TX’s C.J is a loose cannon and his last encounter could have very easily ended with he and his group being martyrs

I'll probably end up adding more fuel to the fire, but I want to encourage a big-tent concept, OK? We don't have to agree on all points to be friendly or at least cooperate loosely or encourage at some level.

If you feel the tactics were unsafe, I get it. But they were on the right side of the issue and it did work. That's why loose cooperation exists, we don't have to necessarily endorse every single thing someone does when we have different opinions. We don't have to join at the hip. People take the high ground and push away potential 2A/OC allies, but I bet there are other areas of life where they have much, much lower standards and tolerate things they consider imperfect. I bet we could find some of those for anyone here. I don't agree with demonizing anyone over a disagreement either. We should try to broadly support each other in the movement.

I've lived in Texas and sometimes things are done a little...differently. But with good intentions, and they are not always the biggest fans of criticism. So Texans, remember not to be too sensitive, people do tend to question the best way to do things. It's not very big of a person if he can't handle a little disagreement and has to have his way or the highway, right? Non-Texans, same thing, plus remember that was a whole different country down there for a few years, and still very much its own place. What works there might even be a little different.

 

[TXOC16]

Apparently, there is one on this forum that believes that only his opinion counts and if you don't agree with him you are scum.

Really? That's your take-away from the recent discussion in this thread? Could you, perhaps, identify this "offending" individual and cite some recent posts in support of your "interesting," if not accusatory and potentially insulting statement?

I think that person need a time out.

Indeed, but I'm not at all confident that those who truly deserve such a reprimand will actually receive the same. Personally, I'm thinking a burning at the stake would be a far more appropriate punishment for any who dare stray from the fold via their simple, well-reasoned, and well-argued (not to mention properly grammared), disagreement. Are you with me?

 

[solus]

I'm truly as concerned about all states. I don't think any one state can hold out on its own if the rest of the nation goes full Hogg. Due to the media, gun control is usually a national push even though (for now) states get very different outcomes.

I see our Constitutional rights as connected - hard to have one without the other. Likewise note current efforts to remove not one but several, especially: limiting free speech (by big tech + academia + progressive groups), gun control (media + academia + progressive groups + some LE), and getting around due process (government + progressive groups + unfortunate maneuver by Trump).

Big complex group, loose cooperation, not a tidy structure with one boss. As I say, I can name some, not all. DNC, progressives, socialists, Bloomberg, Soros, academia, media - typical gun control crowd. Quite a few minorities - different perspectives on freedom and government, plus DNC pressure. Some LE and bureaucrats - motivated by power, corruption, control.

Is that a premise?

I agree that would be very useful. I like it. But I don't see this necessarily as a single push by a single group or a single leadership over all groups. Whatever works, whatever is possible.

I'll probably end up adding more fuel to the fire, but I want to encourage a big-tent concept, OK? We don't have to agree on all points to be friendly or at least cooperate loosely or encourage at some level.

If you feel the tactics were unsafe, I get it. But they were on the right side of the issue and it did work. That's why loose cooperation exists, we don't have to necessarily endorse every single thing someone does when we have different opinions. We don't have to join at the hip. People take the high ground and push away potential 2A/OC allies, but I bet there are other areas of life where they have much, much lower standards and tolerate things they consider imperfect. I bet we could find some of those for anyone here. I don't agree with demonizing anyone over a disagreement either. We should try to broadly support each other in the movement.

I've lived in Texas and sometimes things are done a little...differently. But with good intentions, and they are not always the biggest fans of criticism. So Texans, remember not to be too sensitive, people do tend to question the best way to do things. It's not very big of a person if he can't handle a little disagreement and has to have his way or the highway, right? Non-Texans, same thing, plus remember that was a whole different country down there for a few years, and still very much its own place. What works there might even be a little different.

HP, sidebar...what did C.J’s recent confrontation, putting citizens at risk of being shot, accomplish in the greater 2A scheme of things across the Lonestar state that could not have been judically pursued?

What benefit to the greater good was accomplished by his confrontation for Austin, Dallas, Houston, El Paso, or Amarillo, etc. sidebar end.

If there is commonality, ‘everyone’ is concerned about all states, then there has to be a focused approach across the nation and out of agenda antics stopped as the focus gets distorted, possibly dooming the intended goal.

Do not believe it can happen...review the LGBT’s organized campaign ~ each state pushed a singular common goal, when it was reached across the nation, another goal was pursued. The national organizers knew same sex marriage could not be the first goal as the uproar would doom their effort immediately. Small goals culminating in civil same sex marriage is the law across the land.

Another perspective, look at mommy against everything, again taking orders from a national guide then state venues carry out the goal set. Quite successfully I might add.

Ya tell the egotistical gun organizing fools in TX, WA, OR, KY, MI, OH, NC, FL, ad nauseam to follow the contrived goals of someone afar, see how well that goes over.

Prime example was TX’s recent push for open carry, who was on first trying to direct, C.J.’s folk did their own thing etc. Alternatively, GRNC’s goal is to support initiatives for the NC citizens who are sane sober and law-abiding CC’g.

Final comment, who cares where you currently or have hung your side arm, especially since you are concerned as a citizen of this great nation ~ fair?