(A) As a former LEO ,I think it is stupid,to challenge police about your right to show id, when doing OC, (B) how do they know if you have a current restraining order ,or dv , out on you , they do not, how do they know that your mentally stable,they don't , how do they know if you are a felon,they don't (C) it was my job to protect and serve , protect the people in my area and serve the people of my town, (D) so yes I will ask for an ID, if you refuse the I (E) now have ras to believe, you my be hiding something which, now gives me PC, for a investigator stop, ask for your ID , helps you promote are cause not hurt it,cooperate with local LEO, it just the smart thing to do.
(A) I think it is stupid that you think it is stupid. Your turn. Or we can have an adult discussion.
(B) You don't have a need to know a damned thing about me--
until you have developed RAS that I am committing, have committed, or am about to commit a crime.
(C) Your job is NOT to protect and to serve. That is a slogan and demonstrably NOT true. Your job, constitutionally, should be to react to crime and to only get proactive when you have PC or RAS of a crime. Until then, leave us the **** alone!
(D) And, yes, I will refuse to show it. You can try to force it from me, but ask the City of Riverside, OH how that worked out for them when they "stole" Roy Call's ID. YOU are the one breaking the law when you demand an ID, so get off your high horse!
(E) NO! YOU DON'T!!! You might want to check with your department's legal counsel on that one. Refusal to stand up for one's right canNOT be used to develop RAS. PERIOD.
Learn the law, buddy, especially if you have taken on a job to enforce it and sworn to uphold the Constitution!
Just try your crap with me, like some officers in Montgomery AL did. The deputy chief and the city attorney BOTH apologized to me in reply to my constant refrain of "I don't want to sue, but..." Montgomery officers were all retrained and new recruit training was updated to to include the fact that officers may not stop a carrier merely because he is carrying. Just try to pull your crap with me, I may not beat your ride, but I will beat the rap, and your department and you, personally, will not beat my lawsuit.
It's cops like you that turn many of the members here (not me, BTW) into unmitigated and unapologetic cop-haters. I will say that I hate the kind of cop you represent yourself to be! I hope some of the other cops that post here take you to task for your authoritarian power trip! Until I commit a crime, you have zero power over me. If you try to exercise that power unlawfully, YOU are the criminal!
Folks, can you tell that I am pissed?