why on earth is this article being relayed by a man who heard about it via telephone who then states towards the end...he believes the shooting was self-defense...
well, i heard over the fone....
ipse
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Michigan Firearm and Self Defense News
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why on earth is this article being relayed by a man who heard about it via telephone who then states towards the end...he believes the shooting was self-defense...
well, i heard over the fone....
ipse
FreeInAZ
Regular Member
Now, now...don't feed the trolls kiddies...
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directly from your cited article:
quote:
Holland police say it appears that Jackson made a grab for the gun and was then shot twice in the chest.
His former girlfriend says she has been in contact with the customer. unquote
who's former girlfriend...who is writing this BS commentary??
Holland police say they believe the customer, who has a license to carry a gun, was acting in self-defense and he has not been charged, although his gun is being held as evidence.
customer not charged yet his gun was confiscated?
who is writing this BS commentary??
why am i confused...
ipse
quote:
Holland police say it appears that Jackson made a grab for the gun and was then shot twice in the chest.
His former girlfriend says she has been in contact with the customer. unquote
who's former girlfriend...who is writing this BS commentary??
Holland police say they believe the customer, who has a license to carry a gun, was acting in self-defense and he has not been charged, although his gun is being held as evidence.
customer not charged yet his gun was confiscated?
who is writing this BS commentary??
why am i confused...
ipse
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Now, now...don't feed the trolls kiddies...
you did well free in your class today...shall we put it on the refrigerator for your friends to see your work? ?
FreeInAZ
Regular Member
i see your version and raise you with mine version...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwQTVdbudIs
sometimes you win & sometimes you lose
(remember there is never a tie in nuclear war)
ipse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwQTVdbudIs
sometimes you win & sometimes you lose
(remember there is never a tie in nuclear war)
ipse
DeSchaine
Regular Member
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/ind...ound_at_corunna_high_s.html#incart_river_home
This is to highlight the fact that making all the laws and restrictions in the world isn't going to stop criminal acts, and also to show that the so-called authorities are apparently INEPT at dealing with problems that arise.
TL;DR: 1230 pm: Corunna HS goes into lockdown over report of student with a weapon. Cops are called. Student, locker, backpack searched, no weapon found.
They found a BB gun later on in the EVENING at the school!
This is to highlight the fact that making all the laws and restrictions in the world isn't going to stop criminal acts, and also to show that the so-called authorities are apparently INEPT at dealing with problems that arise.
TL;DR: 1230 pm: Corunna HS goes into lockdown over report of student with a weapon. Cops are called. Student, locker, backpack searched, no weapon found.
They found a BB gun later on in the EVENING at the school!
DeSchaine
Regular Member
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo...o_police_chief_joins_c.html#incart_river_home
Make of it what you will, but I say he needs to be fired. Sadly, Kalamazoo is a bastion of libtard morons and it wont happen.
Make of it what you will, but I say he needs to be fired. Sadly, Kalamazoo is a bastion of libtard morons and it wont happen.
FreeInAZ
Regular Member
Man, what a cluster bleep! Sadly MI has many Mayors/PD chiefs/city council folks who all tow the same line. In my experience they include: Detroit, Flint, Grand Rapids, Lansing etc..etc... good people but horrible leaders IMHO.
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DeSchaine
Regular Member
Julie Mack is up to her same old BS again, with a pair of nearly total Pro More Gun Control articles on MLive intended to fearmonger against guns and gun owners.
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/owning_guns_for_protection_mor.html#incart_gallery
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/gun_owners_need_to_understand.html#incart_river_home_pop
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/owning_guns_for_protection_mor.html#incart_gallery
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/gun_owners_need_to_understand.html#incart_river_home_pop
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Evil Creamsicle
Regular Member
some idiot cop said:
Wait... wait... wait...
Earplugs work better than 'silencers'
'silencers' can't be heard by law enforcement
pick one.
These things are mutually exclusive, unless you're willing to admit that either all cops have awful hearing, or that 'basic earplugs that you can buy at a gun store' are capable of 100% blocking out all gunshot noise.
Why do people actually listen to this drivel?
Evil Creamsicle
Regular Member
also
OK so, it seems to me that this guy would have fled without incident if Zapata wasn't running toward the sound of gunfire. AKA, it was the fact that he *could* hear the gunshots that got him killed. Just saying.
That's how this country was designed, such that if you don't like the way the laws are in a particular state, you can go to another one. I fail to see the issue here.
OK so, it seems to me that this guy would have fled without incident if Zapata wasn't running toward the sound of gunfire. AKA, it was the fact that he *could* hear the gunshots that got him killed. Just saying.
That's how this country was designed, such that if you don't like the way the laws are in a particular state, you can go to another one. I fail to see the issue here.
DeSchaine
Regular Member
Well folks, the big one is trying to happen. At the same time we're trying to push through Constitutional Carry, State Rep. Abdullah Hammoud (D-Dearborn) has thrown a big change to MCL 750.234d and 750.237a on the table.
HB 4560 seeks to make police stations GFZ's. It ALSO removes our ability to carry in ANY establishment licensed under the Michigan Liquor Code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 TO 436.2303. This means any gas station and supermarket that sells beer would be off limits.
Now, I can hear what you're thinking. "Meh, I've got a CPL, doesn't apply to me." WRONG! The new bill wipes out the exemption for people with licenses. For those that need a refresh, 750.234d states:
HB 4560, as introduced, WIPES OUT the part that I emphasized above. And Hammoud doesn't stop there. Apparently in retaliation for the Clio and Ann Arbor cases, he strikes the SAME line out from 750.237a which lets CPL holders carry in school zones. A school zone, defined by the laws of the state and feds, is anything within 1000 feet of a school property, if I remember right.
Hammoud, Sabo, Geiss, Hoadley, Schor, Elder, Wittenberg, Love, Santana, Gay-Dagnogo and Sneller. These people need to be removed from their offices. And anyone else that votes FOR this needs to go as well.
HB 4560 seeks to make police stations GFZ's. It ALSO removes our ability to carry in ANY establishment licensed under the Michigan Liquor Code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 TO 436.2303. This means any gas station and supermarket that sells beer would be off limits.
Now, I can hear what you're thinking. "Meh, I've got a CPL, doesn't apply to me." WRONG! The new bill wipes out the exemption for people with licenses. For those that need a refresh, 750.234d states:
HB 4560, as introduced, WIPES OUT the part that I emphasized above. And Hammoud doesn't stop there. Apparently in retaliation for the Clio and Ann Arbor cases, he strikes the SAME line out from 750.237a which lets CPL holders carry in school zones. A school zone, defined by the laws of the state and feds, is anything within 1000 feet of a school property, if I remember right.
Hammoud, Sabo, Geiss, Hoadley, Schor, Elder, Wittenberg, Love, Santana, Gay-Dagnogo and Sneller. These people need to be removed from their offices. And anyone else that votes FOR this needs to go as well.
fozzy71
Regular Member
Michigan Open Carry, Inc added 2 new photos.
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Following our post this morning, Rep. Abdullah Hammoud reached out to us to discuss his legislation (HB 4560) meant to restrict the possession of firearms in police stations. Rep. Hammoud confirmed to us that he indeed did NOT intend to eliminate the exemption for CPL holders for the entire section. His focus was simply on police stations with the intent of preventing a similar incident that occurred a few months ago in Dearborn.
We wish to commend Rep. Hammoud for reaching out to us and for the very respectful conversation that followed. As we conveyed to the representative, we very much agree that we would like to not see such an incident again, however, we believe all of the tools necessary to ensure this are already in place.
As we mentioned this morning, the guys at the center of the issue are already facing a total of over 15 years in prison, and we do not believe millions of law-abiding gun owners all across the state should be punished for the foolish actions of 2.
We also reiterated that the responsibility for introduced language falls entirely on the legislator, and it is their responsibility to know and understand the subject matter they are addressing.
In response, as a sign of sincerity, Rep Hammoud has already received a corrected draft of his bill and has sent us a copy. Below you will find a picture of that draft and a statement from Rep. Hammoud. (Note: the corrections will NOT show on the Legislature's site)
MOC still opposes the legislation, but Rep. Hammoud's quick response to a significant issue is certainly more than what most have done in the past, and for that he deserves credit.
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I want to thank Michigan Open Carry for bringing the concern regarding HB 4560 to my attention. During the drafting process, a few lines were inadvertently struck from the bill, and this deviated from my intent. The legislative process is fluid and incremental, with the majority of bills being revised at some point along the way. I have discussed and rectified the issue, the correct version of the language, as a substitute, is attached. This is the corrected version for which I will be advocating.
I have been clear from the start that my intention is to protect our police officers from the irresponsible handling of firearms, similar to what occurred in the city of Dearborn a few months ago. The corrected version does not change any current laws in relation to CPLs. I respect the integrity of the Second Amendment and appreciate the feedback I received today. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further recommendations.
Abdullah Hammoud
Michigan State Representative
House District 15
DeSchaine
Regular Member
He's a Demoncrat from Dearborn. "Inadvertently struck" my arse. He's just slightly smarter than most and realized the firestorm he created.
more impressed by MOC's commentary, quote: As we mentioned this morning, the guys at the center of the issue are already facing a total of over 15 years in prison, and we do not believe millions of law-abiding gun owners all across the state should be punished for the foolish actions of 2. unquote, whom everyone was steadfastly stating were in the right in their activities at the Dearborn PD station appear to be thrown under the bus ...
apparently spock's observation in the wrath of Khan about the needs...is correct!
ipse
apparently spock's observation in the wrath of Khan about the needs...is correct!
ipse
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DeSchaine
Regular Member
House Bill 4554 has been introduced. This bill seeks to remove the need to register a handgun in Michigan AND allow people who have already had to register ones they currently own to be removed from the current list.
MLive reporters, however, don't want to make the distinction between that and background checks apparently. In her article, Emily Lawler manages to intimate as much in one little sentence.
MLive reporters, however, don't want to make the distinction between that and background checks apparently. In her article, Emily Lawler manages to intimate as much in one little sentence.
DeSchaine
Regular Member
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...offer-to-store-firearms-while-owners-are-away
Lake Orion PD has a new program for people going on vacation. At no charge, any resident of the area can secure their firearms with the PD while they are on vacation. Chief Narsh says he hopes this will help cut down on the number of firearms put into the black market.
Lake Orion PD has a new program for people going on vacation. At no charge, any resident of the area can secure their firearms with the PD while they are on vacation. Chief Narsh says he hopes this will help cut down on the number of firearms put into the black market.
DeSchaine
Regular Member
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo...lves_guns_com.html#incart_2box_news_kalamazoo
And now we know exactly why Klepper was in Kalamazoo with a film crew. Comedy Central is doing a one hour investigative comedic documentary special on how to "solve guns."
And now we know exactly why Klepper was in Kalamazoo with a film crew. Comedy Central is doing a one hour investigative comedic documentary special on how to "solve guns."