marine0300
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Kanas is the first state in the union to authorize Constitutional carry on all state colleges for 21 & above
July 1st please update map
July 1st please update map
Kanas is the first state in the union to authorize Constitutional carry on all state colleges for 21 & above
July 1st please update map
So am I understanding it correctly that they are the first state to allow concealed carry on college campuses without a carry permit?
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Kanas is the first state in the union to authorize Constitutional carry on all state colleges for 21 & above
July 1st please update map
No sir that is not Constitutional Carry which would be concealed or open carry. This law with certain limitations only addresses concealed carry.It's a good day to be a college student in Kansas! Constitutional Carry on all college campuses begins today!
I do like the underlined and bolded last sentence of the first paragraph you posted! I did add the underling and bolding on that portion ONLY in your posting.No sir that is not Constitutional Carry which would be concealed or open carry. This law with certain limitations only addresses concealed carry.
Normally we only use fair use quotes, but there are only 2 paragraph that read:
Beginning July 1, 2017, any individual 21 years or older who is otherwise legally allowed to possess a concealed handgun may do so in any public facility, or on any public grounds unless proper security measures are in place. Kansas does not require a permit to carry a concealed firearm.
‘‘Adequate security measures’’ means the use of electronic equipment and personnel at public entrances to detect and restrict the carrying of any weapons into the state or municipal building, including, but not limited to, metal detectors, metal detector wands or any other equipment used for similar purposes to ensure that weapons are not permitted to be carried into such building by members of the public. Adequate security measures for storing and securing lawfully carried weapons, including, but not limited to, the use of gun lockers or other similar storage options may be provided at public entrances.
http://www.armedcampuses.org/kansas/
Please cite where college/universities must allow open carry within the buildings.
Students 21 and older can carry a concealed handgun on Kansas university campuses starting Saturday. The law was originally passed in 2013, but universities had been exempt for four years to prepare.
http://ksrevisor.org/statutes/chapters/ch75/075_007c_0020.html(j) The governing body or the chief administrative officer, if no governing body exists, of any of the following institutions may exempt any building of such institution, or any public area thereof, from this section until July 1, 2017, by stating the reasons for such exemption and sending notice of such exemption to the Kansas attorney general:
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(5) a postsecondary educational institution, as defined in K.S.A. 74-3201b, and amendments thereto, including any buildings located on the grounds of such institution and any buildings leased by such institution.
Sure doesn't look like constitutional carry to me.
To me constitutional carry is: you can carry ANYWHERE in the state. I would be willing to concede court houses and jails, but they shall provide accommodations to secure your firearm, and private property NOT open to the public meaning your home and land. A business open to the public like stores and restaurants are not exempt.
After being gone for awhile you sure have gotten a little testy. Then converting from senior citizen type to fine print makes it harder to read your grumpiness. My question is, does "gutshot I" have a friendlier personality? Or how about just getting the original gutshot back. Inquiring minds want to know......'
I am back and such frivolous comments will no longer go unchallenged! Things have gotten very lax in my absence. I am well rested and I intend to staighten out all of the shallow thinking and point out all of the errors made by the rest of you, from now on.
Could you tell me just exactly where such a situation as you describe exists today? I don't know of a place where it exists and doubt that it will exist anywhere in the near future. If this is the only definition of "constitutional carry" that you will accept, what terms should we use to denote all of the myriad schemes that exist today and will exist in the future? Those schemes would include concealed and open carry without any certification by the state, but have some restrictions as to place, age and legal status. Will your definition allow for people that are prohibited from gun ownership to carry a gun, anyway? What age restrictions will you accept in your definition? Will you insist upon "almost constitutional carry" or "sort of constitutional carry" to discribe the existing plans? What about "semi constitutional carry" or 'faux constitutional carry or "quasi constitutional carry"? Will each different plan have to have a different name to describe each difference and accomodate each state? I try not to be hung up on the name. If it enhances my right to carry, reduces the number of places where I can't carry and is politically possible, I am for it. If it is perfect, solves all of my problems and is politically impossible, I can't get excited about it. Of course the long term goal can be as lofty as you want, but we all need to realise that progress is incremental and, perhaps none of us will live long enough see that come to fruition. I certainly will not.
After being gone for awhile you sure have gotten a little testy. Then converting from senior citizen type to fine print makes it harder to read your grumpiness. My question is, does "gutshot I" have a friendlier personality? Or how about just getting the original gutshot back. Inquiring minds want to know......
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Could you tell me just exactly where such a situation as you describe exists today? I don't know of a place where it exists and doubt that it will exist anywhere in the near future. If this is the only definition of "constitutional carry" that you will accept, what terms should we use to denote all of the myriad schemes that exist today and will exist in the future? Those schemes would include concealed and open carry without any certification by the state, but have some restrictions as to place, age and legal status. Will your definition allow for people that are prohibited from gun ownership to carry a gun, anyway? What age restrictions will you accept in your definition? Will you insist upon "almost constitutional carry" or "sort of constitutional carry" to discribe the existing plans? What about "semi constitutional carry" or 'faux constitutional carry or "quasi constitutional carry"? Will each different plan have to have a different name to describe each difference and accomodate each state? I try not to be hung up on the name. If it enhances my right to carry, reduces the number of places where I can't carry and is politically possible, I am for it. If it is perfect, solves all of my problems and is politically impossible, I can't get excited about it. Of course the long term goal can be as lofty as you want, but we all need to realise that progress is incremental and, perhaps none of us will live long enough see that come to fruition. I certainly will not.
No sir that is not Constitutional Carry which would be concealed or open carry. This law with certain limitations only addresses concealed carry.
Cannot agree. We have CC and OC separately and distinguishable with and w/o a permit/license.I contend that any law removing the requirement to obtain government permission before carrying a gun in public is fairly called "constitutional carry". That we can't carry in any manner we like, or into every location we like doesn't diminish the significant gain that it is to be legally able to carry a concealed firearm, sans permit, into an area that has been considered "sensitive" and off limits to guns for quite some time.
Having admitted that the gun carriers are on campus, they won't be able to keep us in the closet forever.
Besides, with open carry being more frequently legal without a permit than is concealed carry Reply With Quote, the term "constitutional carry" has been used most often in recent political efforts to refer to concealed carry without a permit.
Wish that I could, but editing/changing that information is not within my province.Hi Grapeshot!
Thank you for your posts. I appreciate your insight. Can you help Kanas by making our state Gold under College maps? We do qualify for that one.
As always Kansas appreciates opencarry.org!!
have a great 4th of July
Mairine0300
Wish that I could, but editing/changing that information is not within my province.
Cannot agree. We have CC and OC separately and distinguishable with and w/o a permit/license.
Constitutional Carry allows the individual to carry either CC or OC entirely at their option.
How about freedom to choose? It is the right thing to do.
If we cannot agree on the definition of terms, we will have difficulty in understanding each other. Therefore such nomenclature is highly desireable.--snipped--
We need not to get too hung up on what nomenclature we use to get that. Whatever honest labeling will help advance us to the next step is good nomenclature. Just like both OC, CC, and CCC are all good ways to carry a gun for self defense. Personal choice and all that.
Charles