press1280
Regular Member
So I see on the campus carry bill that presidents of public universities can't outright ban carry. But how far can they actually go? Can they ban it from all the buildings?
No, it does NOT.
Correct! I watched that entire debate myself and it was put into the record that the reason that there was no prohibition added to the law was because there was adequate case law to establish that the police do not have any right to demand DL and CHL/LTC simply because of OC. And they noted for the record that the legislative intent was that it wasn't necessary OR they would have included it. And that should have some impact on judges based on how TX law deals with the courts applying plain meaning and legislative intent.
soooo///the lone star's nice LEs wouldn't ever violate something put on the legislative 'record' but for the record which didn't make it into statute...me thinks the FB deputy has a different perception and i have the feeling it is pervasive amongst the nice LEs in TX's communities.
unfortunately, there is only one, singular way to discern who is correct on this debate...ya'l have to wait till after the first of Jan...huh!!
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Bad information on my part - not properly validated.Well, for what it's worth, I didn't say anything about what LEOs would be taught or would believe come January, I just said that in the new OC laws that passed, there was no statutory requirement to ID on demand created. I don't know where Grapeshot got that from.
What LEOs will be taught, what they will know about, what they'll be told, what their policy will become, what their attitude will be, what their respect for rights and liberty will be, I make no predictions about these things...
Bad information on my part - not properly validated.
So I see on the campus carry bill that presidents of public universities can't outright ban carry. But how far can they actually go? Can they ban it from all the buildings?
Got a note that Dan Patrick has tasked the Texas House & Senate to monitor implementation of OC:
http://www.empowertexans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Patrick-FIrst-Interim-Charges.pdf
Monitoring Charge: Monitor the implementation of legislation addressed by the Senate Committee on State Affairs during the 84th Legislature, Regular Session and make recommendations for any legislation needed to improve, enhance, and/or complete implementation. Specifically, monitor the following: 1) Implementation of open and campus carry legislation and determine if the current laws regulating the places that handguns can be carried are easily understood or if clarification is needed to ensure the average citizen understands when, where, and under what circumstances it is lawful to carry a weapon, versus when it is a criminal offense for which there may be a defense...
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Well Texas, you guys sure do have a lot of the whack jobs down there.
Dildo protest over Campus Carry
Seriously? Ladies and gents... your tax dollars at work.
Here is a view by someone claiming to be a Deputy:
https://www.facebook.com/texassheriffsdeputies/posts/459977404190336?fref=nf
from Facebook, of course...so please adjust accordingly :uhoh:
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Today I took a class specifically dealing with the new open carry. I'm going to tell you now, if you are a fan of open carry, quit reading.
I, personally am not a fan of the bill. That doesn't mean I am anti firearm. I do not believe we need people able to carry openly. Long gun or handgun. I however have 0 problems with concealed carry. The people who do this are normally a friendly person not looking for harm.
For those of you who are going to open carry let me update/review a few things.
1. We (LEO) can and probably will stop and talk to you about the gun your proudly displaying. This also includes disarming you.
2. You must carry your CHL card and Driver's License at all times. If you fail to do this, you are unlawfully carrying a firearm.
3. It must be in a holster. Shoulder or waist only. Ankle holsters do not count.
4. Be ready for a lot of people having issues with it. There is a new law that's exactly the same thing as 30.06 but now it's 30.07. And for the record, if you see these signs read them.
5. Know the CHL rules. There is probably going to be a lot of officers who do not know them, be ready to be patient with them. The more of a jerk you are, the longer you will be detained.
To me with all these rules it's just not worth it. To put it from my perspective, even though I carry with me at all times, I conceal. Having a gun in the open on you makes you a target. If someone wants to rob someone they will do it....gun or not. The gun means they will jump you from behind and get your weapon and god forbid use it against you. Be smart ladies and gentlemen. And be safe.
Administration K
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Admin E here, founder and head Admin of this page.
A lot has been made of the post where Admin K said general citizens would be disarmed while walking down the street. Disarm is probably the wrong choice of words, but let me break this down to all of you.
1) This Open Carry Texas page does not allow us to comment and will not have an open dialog with this page, that being said we will not be bullied or used as a political crutch for those wishing to cause strife between us and our citizens.
2) We support the second amendment and we will not confiscate your guns for no reason. When the term disarm is used it is not meant to mean confiscate. Action vs Reaction, every person who carries a weapon should be familiar with this term. For those of you who don't know the term, it means that if you draw on a leo, you will be able to fire off several rounds before the officer can draw and defend himself. While most leo's maybe willing to let you keep your weapon, during the check understand that he may ask you to keep your hand somewhere away from your weapon.
3) Carrying a weapon is a privilege, concealed or open carried. A lot of citizens do not know but because driving is also a privilege a leo here in the State of Texas, can stop you and do a spot check to make sure you are a valid driver. This concept is what K was talking about. There are people who are going to see open carry and take advantage of this issue and walk around armed who A) are not allowed to be armed i.e. felon, protection orders, or family violence issues. B) Those who are not licensed at all. K was advising that an leo stopping you will have to check to make sure you are allowed to carry. This law was poorly written, and presents a danger to law enforcement everywhere.
4) Sheriff's I know will not violate the constitution and go around confiscating weapons, because it is your right as a citizen to bear arms. Do not buy into the malarky that says we are going around taking peoples weapons because we are this evil arm of the government. We will always stand to defend you no matter what the costs.
5) This page is not an official government page, I started this page for us who do this job so we can laugh and have constructive dialogs with our citizenry. We will not tolerate anti-police messages nor will we tolerate threats, if you have an issue with something that is said on this page, feel free to message the page and ask to speak to me personally, I am always open to dialogs and constructive criticism of the page, we are barely a year old. The Admins of this page come from all walks of life and each region of Texas.
Thank You
E
Here's a follow up from Admin E. Apparently us mere citizens just have a bunch of state-granted privileges. Oh, and they can pull over any driver at any time to spot check for a driver license. All of the admins on this page are supposedly current law enforcement officers right here in Texas, and this is the stuff they believe...
3) Carrying a weapon is a privilege, concealed or open carried.
5) Sheriff's I know will not violate the constitution and go around confiscating weapons, because it is your right as a citizen to bear arms.