neoinarien
Regular Member
Hello all,
So I am the guy, and attorney (former state prosecutor and I've spent time in the court of appeals and while there did work on firearms law), with connections within the DOJ committee who is putting together the admin code, training course, etc. I am also the guy who spoke with Interceptor Knight: so whatever crap you're giving him should be retrained here.
Some short run downs.
1) Whatever any class/organization has issued as far as certificates goes, won't cut it. Period. Classes will need to reissue new certificates when the time comes because the DOJ will be requiring a certificate with some very specific language making reference to law that has not been drafted yet. This should, and almost certainly will, be done well in advance to allow time for the courses to go about this reissuing process in time for folks to apply on November 1. The administrative code should be quite clear as to what these certificates require and the DOJ is planning on posting a 'model certificate' on their site.
2) While the DOJ is putting together a course of their own, it is not mandatory that private instructors follow this. The only people who will be required to follow it are the DOJ instructors who may add to it, but not subtract from it. So AACFI et al, can still keep going with their own courses.
3) There is going to be paperwork and fun things to come on who is a 'certified instructor' and also what constitutes a 'national or state' organization. (IE, If I pay my $100+ with the Wisconsin dept of financial institutions and incorporate as "Neoinarien's International Academy of Firearm Safety and Training", and then issue myself a 'license' to be a 'certified instructor' it will probably not fly to meet the criteria on that section of the training requirement; likewise people who I 'certify' as having passed my class are almost certainly going to be pretty angry when they find out their certificates aren't worth the paper they are printed on and not much can happen to change or fix that).
4) There will be a minimum hours requirement for what a course must have, and a component of that will be mandatory in person training. So 15 minutes on the internet with a beer in hand getting 'certified' as someone who has passed a class will not cut it. Without getting into specifics as to how I am reaching this number, it appears this hours requirement will be around 4-5 hours. There may be a portion of this time where internet training is accepted. Remains to be seen on that as there is internal debate on point.
Now, whatever criticism you have of the above do not direct at me because I am just trying to help things out as a pro 2nd amendment attorney. I have done this footwork on my own time without getting paid.
Also remember: my sources are doing this as a favor in part to me. Do not ask me to reveal any sources because I am not going to.
If you want to discount the above or anything else as just internet crap, go ahead: given the amount of misinformation on legal topics I see on internet firearm boards I would hardly blame you (which is in part why I don't post because I got tired, on another forum, of being 'corrected' by "internet attorneys" who would delight in telling me how things 'really' work at the DA's office, criminal procedure, etc).
Feel free to fire away with questions. Also, I invite people to call and chat or to stop by my office (I am based in Waukesha right across the street from the courthouse) for some free updates, etc (though this is being provided as a concerned citizen, not as an attorney: there will not be any attorney client relationship established unless we expressly discuss that). Message me for my contact info and I'll try to get back to you in between court and clients.
Thanks guys.
Tom/neo
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I talked to the founder of ArmedBadger.com today. Great guy and I'm sure he runs a great site. He wrote a blurb about our talk on his forum.
http://www.armedbadger.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=912
So I am the guy, and attorney (former state prosecutor and I've spent time in the court of appeals and while there did work on firearms law), with connections within the DOJ committee who is putting together the admin code, training course, etc. I am also the guy who spoke with Interceptor Knight: so whatever crap you're giving him should be retrained here.
Some short run downs.
1) Whatever any class/organization has issued as far as certificates goes, won't cut it. Period. Classes will need to reissue new certificates when the time comes because the DOJ will be requiring a certificate with some very specific language making reference to law that has not been drafted yet. This should, and almost certainly will, be done well in advance to allow time for the courses to go about this reissuing process in time for folks to apply on November 1. The administrative code should be quite clear as to what these certificates require and the DOJ is planning on posting a 'model certificate' on their site.
2) While the DOJ is putting together a course of their own, it is not mandatory that private instructors follow this. The only people who will be required to follow it are the DOJ instructors who may add to it, but not subtract from it. So AACFI et al, can still keep going with their own courses.
3) There is going to be paperwork and fun things to come on who is a 'certified instructor' and also what constitutes a 'national or state' organization. (IE, If I pay my $100+ with the Wisconsin dept of financial institutions and incorporate as "Neoinarien's International Academy of Firearm Safety and Training", and then issue myself a 'license' to be a 'certified instructor' it will probably not fly to meet the criteria on that section of the training requirement; likewise people who I 'certify' as having passed my class are almost certainly going to be pretty angry when they find out their certificates aren't worth the paper they are printed on and not much can happen to change or fix that).
4) There will be a minimum hours requirement for what a course must have, and a component of that will be mandatory in person training. So 15 minutes on the internet with a beer in hand getting 'certified' as someone who has passed a class will not cut it. Without getting into specifics as to how I am reaching this number, it appears this hours requirement will be around 4-5 hours. There may be a portion of this time where internet training is accepted. Remains to be seen on that as there is internal debate on point.
Now, whatever criticism you have of the above do not direct at me because I am just trying to help things out as a pro 2nd amendment attorney. I have done this footwork on my own time without getting paid.
Also remember: my sources are doing this as a favor in part to me. Do not ask me to reveal any sources because I am not going to.
If you want to discount the above or anything else as just internet crap, go ahead: given the amount of misinformation on legal topics I see on internet firearm boards I would hardly blame you (which is in part why I don't post because I got tired, on another forum, of being 'corrected' by "internet attorneys" who would delight in telling me how things 'really' work at the DA's office, criminal procedure, etc).
Feel free to fire away with questions. Also, I invite people to call and chat or to stop by my office (I am based in Waukesha right across the street from the courthouse) for some free updates, etc (though this is being provided as a concerned citizen, not as an attorney: there will not be any attorney client relationship established unless we expressly discuss that). Message me for my contact info and I'll try to get back to you in between court and clients.
Thanks guys.
Tom/neo
___________________________________________________________
I talked to the founder of ArmedBadger.com today. Great guy and I'm sure he runs a great site. He wrote a blurb about our talk on his forum.
http://www.armedbadger.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=912
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