personally I think these gun buyback programs that are VOLUNTARY are a great idea. it typically gets a lot of ILLEGAL weapons off the street. mainly because it is the only way to get rid of an illegal weapon without facing any form of criminal charges and also gets some form of valuable return.
so I commend Amazon for donating so much to something like this.
which also makes me want to state that the title of this thread is very misleading: amazon didn't donate to an anti-gun propaganda; they donated to an event proven to have a big impact on ILLEGAL guns
personally I think these gun buyback programs that are VOLUNTARY are a great idea. it typically gets a lot of ILLEGAL weapons off the street. mainly because it is the only way to get rid of an illegal weapon without facing any form of criminal charges and also gets some form of valuable return.
so I commend Amazon for donating so much to something like this.
which also makes me want to state that the title of this thread is very misleading: amazon didn't donate to an anti-gun propaganda; they donated to an event proven to have a big impact on ILLEGAL guns
- Except when it's your/my gun that they stole from your/my house/car that they are using to turn in??
- I personally think that the ones running the programs need to be required to run every single serial number (with over watch from a pro-gun entity) in an effort to ensure the gun can be returned to the rightful owner if stolen. Otherwise the it might be your gun, or mine, and thats seriously wrong.
What's an illegal gun?
- Except when it's your/my gun that they stole from your/my house/car that they are using to turn in??
- I personally think that the ones running the programs need to be required to run every single serial number (with over watch from a pro-gun entity) in an effort to ensure the gun can be returned to the rightful owner if stolen. Otherwise the it might be your gun, or mine, and thats seriously wrong.
What's an illegal gun?
What's an illegal gun?
One that has been convicted of a felony?
JMHO gun buybacks are government fencing operations to buy stolen guns. The outcome is the same thief steals gun, takes it to fence or buyback program, goes home laughing his backside off.
personally I think these gun buyback programs that are VOLUNTARY are a great idea. it typically gets a lot of ILLEGAL weapons off the street. mainly because it is the only way to get rid of an illegal weapon without facing any form of criminal charges and also gets some form of valuable return.
so I commend Amazon for donating so much to something like this.
which also makes me want to state that the title of this thread is very misleading: amazon didn't donate to an anti-gun propaganda; they donated to an event proven to have a big impact on ILLEGAL guns
But Jon Vernick, professor at the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, said that although the programs are popular there's no evidence linking them to a reduction in street crime.
Newark Police Director Samuel DeMaio said that city has not had a buyback since 2009.
With the city paying $200 per gun, he argued that most of the weapons the programs recover in Newark come from out-of-state residents looking to turn a profit, or older residents disposing of weapons long stowed away.
A 2004 report by the National Academies’ Committee on Law and Justice backs up DeMaio’s contentions.
According to the report’s authors, “those who are either using guns to carry out crimes or as protection in the course of engaging in other illegal activities, such as drug selling, have actively acquired their guns and are unlikely to want to participate in such programs.”
Because the Australian buyback was both targeted at firearms that
police and the government considered high risk and that had been relatively
unregulated previously, and because the buyback was accompanied by a ban
and other tightening of firearm regulations, we do not think it is reasonable
to describe the program as having removed primarily low-risk weapons
from the Australian community. This distinguishes it from programs in
the United States, where such a judgment appears more reasonable.
He notes three reasons why gun buybacks in particular would not
be expected to be effective: (1) the guns surrendered are those least likely
to be used in crimes because they are surrendered voluntarily; (2)
replacement guns are easily obtained; and (3) the typical buyback is
relatively small in scale. We describe the NFA in the next section, but to
anticipate these arguments: we argue that none of these factors are
relevant to the Australian buyback; since the NFA involved a large-scale
buyback of firearms, the buyback was compulsory in the sense that
retaining possession of the firearms was illegal, and the guns could not be
easily replaced with similar firearms.
Implementing gun buyback programs. Gun buyback programs seek to reduce gun violence by reducing gun ownership. They typically offer money, goods, or services in exchange for firearms, and they usually offer amnesty and anonymity to those who exchange them. While police may check whether a returned gun was used in a crime, they do not use their findings to pursue the person who returned it. Unfortunately, evaluations have shown that gun buyback programs have no observable effect on either gun crime or gun-related injury rates.51 They do not directly target guns that are highly likely to be used in violence,52 and the characteristics of the guns collected reveal little overlap between crime guns and buyback guns.53 While gun buyback programs are not effective in reducing serious gun crime, police departments should not be discouraged from launching problem-oriented attacks on the illegal sources of guns for criminals.54 A thorough discussion of the prospects of disrupting illegal gun markets is beyond the scope of this guide. However, police departments interested in addressing the illegal supply of guns to criminals should consult the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives website, at www.atf.gov, and the Justice Department’s Project Safe Neighborhoods website, at www.psn.gov.
They are checking for serial numbers and will return stolen guns to thier rightful owners if possible.
if this is the case, then +1 more.
what is an illegal gun? the only illegal gun would be one where the serial is altered/removed, or has no serial# at all. afterall, all guns at some point were legal and legally purchased.
what I meant by getting illegal guns off the street should actually be better worded as: lower the number of guns possessed by people not legally capable of possessing a gun, and/or removing guns from the street that were purchased/sold illegally and/or stolen from their rightful lawful owner
Sharkey, thank you for your post
Guns without serial numbers are legal, as long as they started out that way. There is no evidence to support that gun buy backs make any impact on taking guns off the streets. They end up buying useless junk, and stolen guns that may not have been stolen if not for the programs. Plus to add insult to injury they give money to the asswipes that stole the guns to begin with.