Stand your ground debate or ??

[solus]

CONYERS, Ga. — Three masked teenagers were fatally shot after a shootout with a homeowner in Rockdale County early Monday, authorities said.
The incident happened just after 4 a.m. off Flat Shoals Road on White Oak Court in Conyers. The sheriff's office said the teens, two 16-year-old boys and a 15-year-old, were killed during an exchange of gunfire. It appears the teens were attempting to rob three people in the front yard, authorities said.

A neighbor described a Conyers residential shooting that left three teens dead as what sounded like a "home invasion gone bad for the invaders" in what the Rockdale County sheriff said could "possibly" be a Stand Your Ground or self-defense case.

The sheriff's office has specified the teens were shot outside, and the incident was not an invasion.
Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett said the three teens were wearing masks.

Rockdale County deputies were able to later determine that one of the attempted robbery suspects brandished a gun and fired shots at the residents, but one of the intended victims returned fire. Unquote. https://www.11alive.com/article/new...oting/85-b939d506-fdb6-4944-b61c-ab6343fe18fd

What seems to be the problem with LE investigators ‘could possibly’ ~ three masked armed men shooting at armed citizens “COULD POSSIBLY” be a self defence case....

 

[bc.cruiser]

Will the parents face charges for the unsupervised teen having a gun?
What was going on in the yard at 4am, besides an ill-advised robbery attempt? ( I know, as one who has been out raking leaves at 3am, they probably were just not ready to end their day.)

 

[OC for ME]

I find it interesting that the goode sheriff holds that there is a distinction between "stand your ground" claim and a self defense claim.

Or, does GA hold such a distinction in state statutes.

 

[SFCRetired]

One news outlet quoted a relative of the deceases as saying that the homeowner used "excessive" force against these innocent children. More and more I am thinking that the inmates are running the asylum.

 

[solus]

One news outlet quoted a relative of the deceases as saying that the homeowner used "excessive" force against these innocent children. More and more I am thinking that the inmates are running the asylum.

Coupled with the post above, makes me wonder where the handgun did come from...it i were the parent my statement...”never saw it before officers...”

 

[CJ4wd]

One news outlet quoted a relative of the deceases as saying that the homeowner used "excessive" force against these innocent children. More and more I am thinking that the inmates are running the asylum.

I was under the impression that this had been well established over 20 years ago.

 

[Ghost1958]

I find it interesting that the goode sheriff holds that there is a distinction between "stand your ground" claim and a self defense claim.

Or, does GA hold such a distinction in state statutes.

Most LE honestly don't know the difference.

 

[Ghost1958]

I find it interesting that the goode sheriff holds that there is a distinction between "stand your ground" claim and a self defense claim.

Or, does GA hold such a distinction in state statutes.

Most LEOs, don't know the difference.

All stand your ground does is prevent prosecutors from trying to say you could have retreated

 

[color of law]

I find it interesting that the goode sheriff holds that there is a distinction between "stand your ground" claim and a self defense claim.

Or, does GA hold such a distinction in state statutes.

See United States Supreme Court case of Beard v. United States, 158 U.S. 550, 562, 15 S. Ct. 962, 966, 39 L. Ed. 1086 (1895).

The United States Supreme Court Justice, John Marshall Harlan, in Beard stated that:

The defendant was where he had the right to be, when the deceased advanced upon him in a threatening manner, and with a deadly weapon; and if the accused did not provoke the assault and had at the time reasonable grounds to believe and in good faith believed, that the deceased intended to take his life or do him great bodily harm, he was not obliged to retreat, nor to consider whether he could safely retreat, but was entitled to stand his ground and meet any attack made upon him with a deadly weapon, in such way and with such force as, under all the circumstances, he, at the moment, honestly believed, and had reasonable grounds to believe, was necessary to save his own life or to protect himself from great bodily injury.

(my emphasis)

The shiff needs some edgmucation.

One of Ohio's earliest cases addressing the duty to retreat is from 1840. That case is State v Noble, 1 Dec. (Re.) 1. The Noble Court stated that “The English doctrine, that a party assaulted must flee as far as he can before he resists, has no foundation in human nature. The true position is this: A sudden quarrel does not justify the intentional killing of the adversary, unless in self-defense.”

Self defense is stand your ground.