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OT: shariah in Leesburg today

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And it's become a bit of a pet peeve that the news faces keep saying that Shariah is "Islamic law", which is hogwash.

It's a bit of a pet peeve of mine that some folks aren't as well versed in the facts as they should be:

Sharīʿah (Arabic: شريعة‎ šarīʿah, IPA: [ʃaˈriːʕa], "way" or "path") is the code of conduct or religious law of Islam. - Source More: Otto, Jan Michiel. Sharia and National Law in Muslim Countries: Tensions and Opportunities for Dutch and EU Foreign Policy . Amsterdam University Press, 2008, p. 7.​

It is neither "law", nor "Islamic"

Both Muslims and cultural experts say otherwise.
 

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I love the facts that are being posted showing that Sharia Law is in fact fallowed by Muslim countries and that states are fighting to prevent it from becoming a law of the land here,yet some here blindly sit by and insist it's not a law nor Islamic ( :banghead: ). I guess the rest of us that see it for what it really is are just a bunch of fear mongering racists lmao.

If you feel that Sharia is not a law and that Muslim countries do not fallow it. Feel free to move to an Islamic country for 3 months and than come back and see if your tune hasn't changed.
 

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Radical Lefties and radical Islamists will institute this despicable Trojan Law right under our noses if America doesn’t shake off this PC sickness.
 

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Radical Lefties and radical Islamists will institute this despicable Trojan Law right under our noses if America doesn’t shake off this PC sickness.

Indeed, they'll ban gay marriage, say women are subservient to men, say that the will of god is contained within their holy book (and it is supreme), non-followers are doomed to eternity of torment, or that their divine being should be invoked in both national pledges and on currency, that churches are exempt from paying government taxes, that women are not to have abortions, and all those other terribly anti-freedom, anti-choice things.

It's soooo different than fundamentalist christians. How could anyone mistake the two?
 

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Indeed, they'll ban gay marriage, say women are subservient to men, say that the will of god is contained within their holy book (and it is supreme), non-followers are doomed to eternity of torment, or that their divine being should be invoked in both national pledges and on currency, that churches are exempt from paying government taxes, that women are not to have abortions, and all those other terribly anti-freedom, anti-choice things.

Wow. You just described the beliefs of the vast majority of our Founding Fathers.

It's soooo different than fundamentalist christians. How could anyone mistake the two?

Lol, I get it now - yours was a parody...

On a more serious note, those set against Christianity love to paint it's followers like the paragraph above... :banghead:

Those who actually follow it, however, know that women help the men while the men serve the women.

They know that God's will was revealed to men, which is contained in a book that actually lays the foundation for women helping the men while the men serve the women.

They know that those who reject God, where heaven is, are simultaneously choosing an afterlife without God, where heaven isn't, that the lake of fire represents their shame while the lake of ice (see Revelations) represents an existence without God.

They know since God would love for us all to get along, why not invoke remembrances of him and what he espouses: love, on our country's currency and pledge?

They know as our Founding Fathers knew of Jesus' "render under Caesar what is Caesar's" statement with respect to taxes and said, "We won't be like Godless Caesar. We'll exempt God's churches from paying taxes."

They know of the horrible subterfuge surrounding abortion, namely, that all this business surrounding "choice" denies the unborn baby any choice at all in the matter, denying all three of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" while the consensual (i.e. non-rape/incest) abortions are carried out as an afterthought because no forethought was involved in a consensual act of sex.

I'm not sure who you're attempting to fool with those "terribly anti-freedom, anti-choice things" which are terrible in the way they strangle both freedom and choice in our country to the detriment of our society as a whole. They're little more than putrid twists of illogic turned upside down and re-labeled as "good" while remaining the epitome of the Biblical verse which says in the end times "they call good evil, and evil good."

Interestingly, most of Shariah law is based on the old testament!

What I find equally interesting, however, is where Shariah law departs from the canons accepted by Catholics, Orthodox, and Christians today, and the principle ingredients are Jesus and God's grace.

No, folks - I am NOT preaching. I am, however, playing the devil's advocate, as there is so much anti-Islamic rhetoric out there which is ignorant of being anti-Judeo-Christian as well. Perhaps we should trash all religions as nonsense, but the question then becomes "what forms the basis of society?" Various psychological experiments have repeatedly shown that without an internal locus of control, a group of people in an unforgiving environment will devolve into animalistic tendencies within a couple of days, while a group with an internal locus of control will band together around that locus and continue behaving like humans, even unto their deaths.

Equally interesting is that the latter course of action takes weeks, not days, and is much more conducive to long-term survival.

On that point, I would argue that while many horrible things have been errantly committed in the name of religion/god, a great many more noble things have been done which separate us from our animal brethren by DNA.
 

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Sample size does not correlate to those contacted. Of those contacted that agreed to respond what number provided responses that would have given the poll takers the exact opposite of what the poll ended up showing? In other words, poll ~3000 folks who agree, some what agree, and some what disagree (makes you look "un-biased") with your premise then go from there. Make sure you exclude almost all of the disagree with your premise respondants.

Should I ask what you just explained or would that make me look dumb? No polls on that please.


Are you simply saying the pollsters threw out the responses that didn’t favor the required result of Tea Party being less attractive than Muslims?
 

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Polls can say anything the pollster wants it to say based on the wording of the poll questions. So, knowing this truism, a poll is only as good (accurate) as the premise (the desired outcome) being tested.

Or, in Engrish, polls are meant for consumption by folks who generate polls and those who report on polls. The only poll that really counts is the poll taken at the ballot box.

Why I've always felt polls are mere propaganda.
 

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Radical Lefties and radical Islamists will institute this despicable Trojan Law right under our noses if America doesn’t shake off this PC sickness.

So, Neo-Nazi Fascist Socialism is not only on its way to America, but Radical Islamism is on its way as well - we are freaking screwed. Take cover, the sky is falling...the sky is falling...the theater is on fire...the theater is on fire!
 

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Why I've always felt polls are mere propaganda.

Of course they are. All systems that measure citizenry are nothing more than propaganda. I wonder how a person such as yourself formulates any concept, or conclusion when nearly all information provided you reject. What ever happen to exposing yourself to as much information as possible, then considering the totality, and forming some sort of understanding of what is happening around you? Let me guess, thinking is overrated.
 

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, but Radical Islamism is on its way as well

Of course they are.

- we are freaking screwed. Take cover, the sky is falling...the sky is falling...the theater is on fire...the theater is on fire!

You add what was never suggested in attempt to discredit, hide, or cover up truth, I understand your tactics. The liberal antics are entertaining, sometimes, but mostly annoying!
 

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Of course they are. All systems that measure citizenry are nothing more than propaganda. I wonder how a person such as yourself formulates any concept, or conclusion when nearly all information provided you reject. What ever happen to exposing yourself to as much information as possible, then considering the totality, and forming some sort of understanding of what is happening around you? Let me guess, thinking is overrated.

I've worked with folks like you over the years, full of book smarts, oozing with self professed intellect, but not an ounce of common sense. Your kind builds wine cellars and then fills them with expired Billy Beer.

Of course you are right and I’m wrong, how silly of me to question the knowledge and authority of the radical left. Oh, I’m very aware of what transpires around me, and at my age I’ve formulated plenty and do reject those things that are known to be bad, even if you see as wonderful and the everlasting in love and peace. Sorry I can’t buy off on your orgasm over Obama, and compassion for radical Islam.
 

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Polls can say anything the pollster wants it to say based on the wording of the poll questions.

What "the pollster wants it to say" includes designing it to reveal the truth about how people feel about an issue, which is why most legitimate polls are done by independent third-party companies with solid reputations for being objective.

So, knowing this truism, a poll is only as good (accurate) as the premise (the desired outcome) being tested.

I'll agree with you there, including the fact that highly accurate polls are the result of polls designed with the premise of finding the truth.

The only poll that really counts is the poll taken at the ballot box.

I disagree in that give the vast number of voters who never go to the polls, it's not an accurate representation of the will of the nation. It's for this reason I believe voting should be mandatory, even if to make it fair one might have to include an option for "undecided" on the ballot. It's also why I support online voting. The reason it hasn't flown is because the idiots ask corporations like Diebold (makes of ATMs) to design online voting systems. They know loads about ATM security issues such as encryption, but very little about the additional online security issues such as authentication and validation (a user ID and a PIN will NOT suffice).

On the other hand, do we really want those who don't care enough to vote to be influencing the outcome of the vote?
 

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Indeed, they'll ban gay marriage, say women are subservient to men, say that the will of god is contained within their holy book (and it is supreme), non-followers are doomed to eternity of torment, or that their divine being should be invoked in both national pledges and on currency, that churches are exempt from paying government taxes, that women are not to have abortions, and all those other terribly anti-freedom, anti-choice things.

It's soooo different than fundamentalist christians. How could anyone mistake the two?

Ah, but fundamentalist christians are not trying to shove their ideals down the throats of the country they live in. Christians have learned a bloody lesson about religion interferring with politics (Catholic church/inquisition) and in the USA, our founding fathers determined that the only way to provide a fair set of laws was to limit and proscribe the power of a religion under the new constitution and bill of rights in this grand experiment.

Islam has not had this harrowing look into itself, and in fact, is based upon the sanctioned killing of anyone who does not convert or believe as they do.

I understand that you are being facetious, but as a woman, this is no laughing matter. It may soon be a matter of life and death for me. "I will not go quietly into the night." And, I have a daughter to protect from this insidious errosion of our Constitution, our Judicial System, and our Bill of Rights.
 

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Why I've always felt polls are mere propaganda.

Or, the only polls worth paying attention to are the ones in which the polling questions are also published with response percentiles per question. That is the only true value in a poll to anyone not set with an agenda on the polling.
 

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Ah, but fundamentalist christians are not trying to shove their ideals down the throats of the country they live in. Christians have learned a bloody lesson about religion interferring with politics (Catholic church/inquisition) and in the USA, our founding fathers determined that the only way to provide a fair set of laws was to limit and proscribe the power of a religion under the new constitution and bill of rights in this grand experiment.
HAHahahahHAHAhHAHHAhahhh

Seriously? SERIOUSLY?

Are you living in the same USA that I am?

That's rich, not trying to shove ideals down the throat of this country. Musta been some other group that passed DOMA, or has tried to change textbooks in Texas, or invokes prayers from the public podium, or that voted against women's suffrage, or that buy billboards suggesting nonbelievers burn in hell, etc... Certainly not Christians. Nope. Never.
 

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HAHahahahHAHAhHAHHAhahhh

Seriously? SERIOUSLY?

On the one hand, I'm old enough to remember Jerry Falwell and the self-styled Moral Majority. Who else was in on that?

Pat (Somebody)?

Jim and Tammy Baker?

Oral Roberts?

Its getting a little blurry for me, now.

On the other hand, we gotta remember that while some fundamentalists (maybe even many) want to jam their beliefs down others throats, not all do. I am speaking my opinion; I don't have any solid data. It just doesn't seem likely they'd be a unified set.
 

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Nope, they are NOT in your schools teaching your kids, they are NOT in your home insisting you study their tenants, they are NOT the only type or flavor of Christianity available to you, and you CAN CHOOSE whether or not to give them any credibility AT ALL.

Whereas, in a Muslim country, you MUST worship Allah, you MUST practice Islam, you MUST practice SHARIA law, you MUST, you MUST, you MUST ...

So, you object to the advertising that a certain christian sect does in your area? Well, I don't like the LDS coming to my door, and I simply ask them to leave my property, politely of course. I do not have to turn my TV to Robert Hagee, or Pat Roberts, or any of a dozen evangelists who are on TV prosletyzing their particular brand of christian worship. I am from Oklahoma and I can tell you that while we respect and honor Oral Roberts, not all agree with his brand of christianity. But, then, we live in the USA and we have a CHOICE.

As you say, they are TRYING to change the text books, but has that happened? Well, I for one believe that creationism should be taught as part of the evolution of science and how religious/church interference has delayed and corrupted scientific advancement.

Or do you not believe that creationism had an effect upon our scientific development?

I also do not agree with the exclusion of prayer from public events. Nor the removal of Christ from Christmas ... or the memorial crosses from national parks and such around the country.

As for billboards threatening burning in hell ... well, that is one reason I do not participate in a regulated religion ... too judgemental for me and my understanding/relationship with my God. You do not have to believe the billboards, you can call and express your distaste of their message, and you can post your own competing opinion/message if it bothers you that much. But, you don't have the right to limit their right to state their message.
 
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...

I also do not agree with the exclusion of prayer from public events. Nor the removal of Christ from Christmas ... or the memorial crosses from national parks and such around the country.
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You mean that pagan holiday at the winter solstice? You know, the one with trees and candles and lights and such? The one that was co-opted by Christians? Don't view it as "removing Christ from Christmas", but returning it to its rightful owners.

As for the "memorial crosses" - show me what you think is a memorial cross, and show me one that doesn't violate the establishment clause.


As for the rest of your screed, the start of this post was fear mongering about how sharia is going to take over, because people will vote and try to make it such. It's silly, because the people who are actually trying to do this kind of thing are generally Christians. You even acknowledge as much, but completely miss the point while doing so.
 
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I've come to the conclusion that the biggest problems are the result of the adoption of religious or political language as reality. When people think they've got "truth" because they have incorporated a linguistic model as part of their personal worldview, they then feel the need to protect that process as a part of who they are. It's the drive for self-preservation that causes them to respond as if attacked when someone questions their personal reality. And when there's a group consensus as to the language (which often means that the members of the group are unaware of their interpretive differences) then there's a mob mentality that moves to kill the heretics and apostates. That's people for you. It doesn't matter which linguistic system they've bought into, they're all like ants on a turd floating in the water - each one thinks he's steering the ship.
 
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