As soon as you said "I just can't," you proved my point. In no way did I imply you signed away a lot of rights. Just SOME. And before you go there, I also did not imply it was a bad thing.
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Army Soldiers carrying concealed firearms
- Thread starter oldbanger
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As soon as you said "I just can't," you proved my point. In no way did I imply you signed away a lot of rights. Just SOME. And before you go there, I also did not imply it was a bad thing.
MagiK_SacK
Regular Member
That is easy enough to avoid. Stay out of uniform, and stay away from the words I'm in the 'military'. Avoid those two things and you are golden
MagiK_SacK
Regular Member
Please instead of telling me your interpretation please point to Section, paragraph number ext that you are interpreting that I won't have the same rights as I would with a civilian employment?
DamonK
Regular Member
How about page 2, section 9. The entire section, but specifically paragraph 2.
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That is easy enough to avoid. Stay out of uniform, and stay away from the words I'm in the 'military'. Avoid those two things and you are golden
That is true, BUT, if I wasn't in the military, I would not need to make certain of certain conditions before exercising a "right."
MagiK_SacK
Regular Member
I guess what I'm getting at is as long as I don't associate my views/opinions with the military there shouldn't be a problem. The same, I am willing to bet, is the same with any other employer. As sad as it may sound if you were to go to a political rally wearing a work uniform you run the risk associating your views/opinions with your employer. That is something that most employer I would like to believe would like to avoid.
A similar but not exact example would be that woman that got fired for the picture she posted of herself throwing up the middle finger and acting like she was screaming next to the sign at the Arlington nation cemetery.
I don't know if that explains it or not. I guess I'm just trying to say its no different than any other employer. The military is just a little more liberal in enforcing such a rule. Hope that helps.
MagiK_SacK
Regular Member
So just to be clear you are specifically referencing this paragraph:
"(2) Subject to separation during or at the end of my enlistment.
If my behavior fails to meet acceptable military standards, I may be
discharged and given a certificate for less than honorable service,
which may hurt my future job opportunities and my claim for
veteran's benefits."
Correct?
Sorry, you quoted me before I figured it out and felt stupid and deleted it prior to your post.
I like your example. She had a right to do what she did, and the company had the right to fire her. They would not have had the right to throw her in the brig and deny her future freedom (or ANY kind of "discipline") because of it, though. That is a HUGE difference.
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DamonK
Regular Member
Nope, nice try though. I'm talking about the entire section, not just the one excerpt. Maybe look at the paragraph directly above the one you quoted.
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MagiK_SacK
Regular Member
I see your point. All I can really say to that is if that were to happen it would be a consequence of signing the DD form 4. By agreeing to enlist you agree to be subject to the UCMJ on top of Federal/State/Local laws and regulations. Are you guaranteed to end up in the brig, not necessarily, but that's not to say don't have a point.
Correct, in fact I edited my post again before you quoted it. ANY discipline would be proof that you did not have the "right" to do what you did. Firing (basically you just leaving) is not a discipline in this context.
1245A Defender
Regular Member
Wowwie!!!
I wont cite anything for you.
There is a profound differance between being in the service and having a job as a civilian and there is a "right that you signed away"!
The RIGHT to tell your boss "Take this job and shove it! I dont work here anymore!"
I wont cite anything for you.
There is a profound differance between being in the service and having a job as a civilian and there is a "right that you signed away"!
The RIGHT to tell your boss "Take this job and shove it! I dont work here anymore!"
golddigger14s
Activist Member
I did go to an off base unit function with an empty holster. Even though we were wearing civies, we were considered "on duty" at our designated place of duty. On duty, or in uniform on or off base we are not allowed to carry a personal weapon. In the last three years that I've been retired I have carried a loaded gun more than in the 21 years in the Army. (BTW, I was combat arms)
oldbanger
Regular Member
Oldbanger, tis an olde, six year olde, thread and you posted almost the same post you did in Mar of 06!
In the interim, Nov 2016, the DoD issued a directive 5210.56, Arming and Use of Force, http://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodd/521056_dodd_2016.pdf
good reading and quite a step forward for our service members.
MSG Laigaie
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OC for ME
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