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Should gun owners abandon the Republican Party?

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The GOP needs to clearly understand that gun owners are not a constituency that can be taken for granted. In summary, let the GOP beware … Gun owners are not blind apologists for the party and we expect those who want our vote to earn it. If pro-gun democrats begin to fill that role, then it might be an entirely different game.

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The Republican party is a lost cause as far as I am concerned. All they want to be is a different Democrat.

I have voted Republican all my life --- but not any more.

Guns are not the only thing they have messed up on.
 

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Pagan wrote:
 Vote for those that fight for freedom and liberty, nothing more nothing less.
Exactly right. And there are no party lines which make for an effective guide. Each person must be his own compass.
 

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MITT ROMNEY * BOBBY JINDAL * 2012

Mitt will be speaking at the NRA meet .

Hope that by 2012 Mitt will have proven

himself and made sure for our liberty,

sovereignty , Constitution , and the

Right to Keep and Bear Arms .

If we do not unite in the next twoelections ,

we deserve what happens to America .

R a Z o R

PS , I am a centrist that votes for the best possible .

It is our free agency to vote or not and I sure hope you do .
 

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I've been equally disgusted with both aisles for years now. You give me a politician, and I can probably give you a few reasons they don't deserve their job. There have only been a few I would love to have a drink with because I think they actually give a damn.

Call me when Barry Goldwater rises from the grave and announces his candidacy...


AC

/I've never let anyone ever call me a Rep/Dem/Con/Lib without me giving them an ear full.
//You're better off insulting my mother then grouping me with those gremlins...
 

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I've given up on the "two " parties. They are both attached to the same evil raptor!!!

A third party uprising is the only way that this country can get back on it's feet and remove the toxin that is now our government. Look into the Constitution Party or The Modern Whigs. Do some research and you may find that there are many people that are tired of this two party system and want real change!
 

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ACEllis wrote:
I've been equally disgusted with both aisles for years now. You give me a politician, and I can probably give you a few reasons they don't deserve their job. There have only been a few I would love to have a drink with because I think they actually give a damn.

Call me when Barry Goldwater rises from the grave and announces his candidacy...


AC

/I've never let anyone ever call me a Rep/Dem/Con/Lib without me giving them an ear full.
//You're better off insulting my mother then grouping me with those gremlins...
Ron Paul
 

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I am curious as to why republicans became the party of gun owners, since we have republican presidents to thank for gun free school zones, bans on citizens buying new full autos, and Bush II's promise to sign an AWB.
 

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R a Z o R wrote:
MITT ROMNEY * BOBBY JINDAL * 2012

Mitt will be speaking at the NRA meet .

Hope that by 2012 Mitt will have proven

himself and made sure for our liberty,

sovereignty , Constitution , and the

Right to Keep and Bear Arms .
Ole Mitt was one of the "deer in headlights" on stage when Ron Paul was proceeding to wipe the floor with their tired worn out Republican mantras. I'll admit I haven't looked up Mitt Romney since then, but he's a standard Republican in my book. The Republican Party these days are on the totalitarian end of the political scale, right along with the Democrats, with very few members scattered along the Constitutional end.

:cuss: the two party system. I voted Constitution Party last election, Chuck Baldwin.
 

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It doesn't matter who you vote for. Whenever you give someone else the power to rule in your name, you give them the power to rule you.
 

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codename_47 wrote:
I am curious as to why republicans became the party of gun owners, since we have republican presidents to thank for gun free school zones, bans on citizens buying new full autos, and Bush II's promise to sign an AWB.
Exactly! We still have plenty of Democratic conservatives on our side. I believe this is a battle for conservative values (gun ownership), not party power.
 

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ROSS PEROT

Everyone I knew in So. California voted for Ross Perot , and we elected Bill Clinton . Half the people I know here in North Carolina did not voteat all because of McCain and we elected Obama .

ROSS PEROT

Yes I voted for Ross Perot and then I learned not to be a loser anymore . I've even had dinner with Bo Gritz at Sizzler a couple times . As an Unaffiliated Centrist I am wanting Mr. Global Economy , MITT ROMNEY to be the POTUS .

ROSS PEROT

Mitt and Bobby both have mercurial minds that teleprompters can not keep up with . If you are not going to vote or are voting for a 3rd party let me express how much losing again in 2010 and 2012 will mean to our gun rights .

ROSS PEROT

Ross Perot's votes made the AWB by Bill Clinton and this dummy voted Perot.



 

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It's not just the parties. The whole one-dimensional model of political thought is fundamentally flawed.

For example, you refer to gun ownership as a "conservative" value, but the concept of gun ownership as a natural right is historically, and in any context other than in modern American use of terminology, a "liberal" issue indeed. In fact, the concept of using arms against a tyrannical state would have once been described as not only liberal, but radically so. A "conservative" idea it most certainly was not, and never really has been (think for a moment about the connotations of "conservative").

Now, rather than insisting we all call ourselves Liberals (although I myself do argue that I am far more deserving of the term "liberal" -- in the context of "classical liberal" -- than any modern neo-pseudo-liberal who has misappropriated the term is), I merely use this as an opportunity to point out how a black-and-white, us vs. them, one-dimensional view of political thought bears many of the same problems that arbitrary partisanship delivers. The inevitable result is that logic is removed from political debate in favor of the usual, endless us-vs-them diatribes.

If we'd been discussing gun rights using logic rather than slinging stereotypes for the last 30 years, we'd probably already have nationwide OC, etc. And both of the so-called "sides" are to blame for this.

The truth is, RKBA doesn't belong to any side. It's a human right. It's about time people got that into their thick skulls, and I don't care what "party" or "wing" they think they belong to.
 

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marshaul has hit my feelings and personal standings on the head. Thank you.

I like Ron Paul, couldn't agree with everything he said, but I believed he gave a damn. In the end, when he dropped out and put his support behind Chuck Baldwin, I lost my nerve with him. I still like ol' Ron, but I refuse to vote for someone who wants to inject religion into our governing system, like the Constitution Party wishes to. As an athiest, it offends me deeply to attach a deity to a human condition like rights and government.

In the matter of full disclosure, I put down for Bob Barr in the end, still not completely satisfied with all candidates. Barr was one of the few politicians that probed for the facts after the ATF/FBI clusterf*ck that was Waco. At the start of the election process, I was a fan of Ron Paul on the Republican side and Bill Richardson on the Democratic side.

AC
 

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Cut through everything and there is this: "Bipartisan" means "Conservative Republicans drop the soap". All of you who voted for anyone else but McCain - whom I will heartily agree was not anyone's ideal - might just as well have voted for Obama. I do respect that you thought you were trying to make a point, but the result is that now we have a "president" who runs all over the globe apologizing to the world's worst dictators and tyrants for our efforts at blunting their asaults on freedom, while insulting every leader of a free nation he meets (if he does not snub them outright).

What? would you have an ideal politician?? All politicians have in them to widely varying degrees and combinations elements of the gangster and the whore. We all have our own version of how things would be if we were Asolute Dictator of the World. And this is not a new thing but is as old as human society. Our Founders understood this and crafted that maarvelous ans sacred document the Constitution of the United States. And politicians wasted no time in trying to pervert it for their own ends. From the Alien and Sedition Acts to the abuse of the Interstate Commerce Clause, wherever Liberty has risen up wannabe tyrants have attempted to strike it down and bend "the masses" to their own will.

As far as individual politicians go, and as far as I am concerned, any politician who hates or fears my firearm is worthy only of my contempt; as the armed citizen is a threat only to the tyrant. The politician who respects the God-given RTKBA is the one I will have a talk with. But we are talking parties here. Well.

The reason third parties fail (and deliver votes to the mainstream party their adherents disagree with more) is that they are formed to burst upon the scene with either fringe candidates or candidates no one has ever heard from to run at the Federal level. Be the "third party" the Libertarians or the Socialist Workers, nobody in their right mind is just going to vote for Joe D"Obscurite' before he and his party have proven they can run a city or town and fix the potholes, get the garbage collected and put up a stop sign or speed bump where people think it is needed. And when a guy like Ron Paul loses a primary and his adherents decide to take their ball and go home, if there are enough of those then we get what we are stiuck with now. But the libertarian coterie is not only to blame.

For instance there is the anti-abortion crowd. Now for the record I think abortion is basically wrong and the abomination commonly known as "partial birth abortion" is particularly sickening and heinous. But I have not been entrusted by Nature and Nature's God with the biological equipment to carry an unborn human in my body, and so not having the responsibility I would not generally presume to judge all cases with one inflexible standard. Those who do I call the "pickled fetus crowd" for their practice of waving jars containing preserved aborted babies about in their many traffic-jam engendering idiotic demontrations. These idiots are for the most part pro-RTKBA. But give them a 2A freindly candidate who disagrees with them one little bit and they, too will stay home and thus help a candidate who is light years worse on both issues gain office.

And there are other issues and we can talk about this and that and split hairs until the sun goes super-nova and fries us all anyhow. We are Democrat and Republican and a few other more exotic political animals. I myself am an independent conservative nationalist (and a rabid one and I am proud). But I assume (and you know what they say about "assume" ) that we all or almost all are most concerned with the right to keep and openly bear firearms. Because that right is the one that backs up all the others.

Abandon the Republican party? NO. But the Republicans among us should let that party know that we expect them to defend and protect the Bill of Rights and the Constitution - ALL of it - and the Democrats to do the same with their party; and we should ALL make it clear to ANY candidate that if they do not understand what "shall not be infringed" means, we will vote for someone who does. "Nuff said.
 

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R a Z o R wrote:
MITT ROMNEY * BOBBY JINDAL * 2012

Mitt will be speaking at the NRA meet .

Hope that by 2012 Mitt will have proven

himself and made sure for our liberty,

sovereignty , Constitution , and the

Right to Keep and Bear Arms .

If we do not unite in the next twoelections ,

we deserve what happens to America .

R a Z o R

PS , I am a centrist that votes for the best possible .

It is our free agency to vote or not and I sure hope you do .

As far as the 2nd amendment is concerned, I am not sure you would get a lot different in Mitt Romney than you would with Obama. In fact, it may be worse because Mitt would have the support of bothhis partyas well asmost Democrats in the signing of"high caliber," lethal weapon bansas well asanother AWB, which he claims to support.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Mitt_Romney_Gun_Control.htm

The definition of insanity is voting for the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
 

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